McChrystal Should be Charged With A Crime...

[Zoroastor]

...for violating UCMJ. And so should those Birther officers.

http://cons-lie.com/2010/06/22/gen-mcchrystal-should-resign-or-face-charges/

[jody]

1. Looks like the left-wing version of Swiftboating is in full swing. n/t

[Skittles]

2. bullshit

there are military rules that have nothing to do with "Swiftboating" - what McChrystal did was a disgrace.

[Zoroastor]

3. Except the swiftboat thing was a lie and character assassination

whereas this is simply rule of law, which you would know if you had ever served.

[MadMaddie]

5. Oh Jody this is not swiftboating

Swiftboating is taking someones honerable career and questioning their service.

Not sure if you ever served in the military or not but I have and my entire family has in every branch of the military.

There is a solid line of command in the military and everyone answers all the way up the line to the Commander in Chief. When you have a breakdown in the chain of command men and women die.

This isn't just about McCrystal being insubordinate to the President. Remember this surge was McCrystal's idea and policy. Now he doesn't believe that the policy is right and he said it outloud....now what kind of effect does this have on the troops that answer to McCrystal? He is sending them into armed battle and he doesn't believe in the mission. His very act can destroy troop moral.

Everyone who has served knows these rules, it is what it is.

[stray cat]

4. We wanted generals to speak out against Bush and his tactics

Not to defend McChrystal.

[MadMaddie]

6. The Generals that did speak out were forced into retirement!

This is all of McCrystals doing, if he didn't believe in his own decisions then he should have stepped aside. If this was the first time then maybe but this is around the 3rd time he has violated the chain of command.

[flyarm]

7. he should have been charged with crimes before Obama Made him head of command of Afghan!

Obama knew exactly what he was getting and he didn't care! Obviously..and if he didn't know what he was getting then he didn't care about knowing who and what he was getting! Karma sucks eh?

If we and everyone else on the planet knew all about McCrystal...why the hell would Obama not have known McCrystal was a war criminal...and when we spoke the truth about that scum bag...we were shouted down and called all sorts of names!

How about the war ships we have deployed now..right now????????

[Crowman1979]

11. Oh there was a whole list of crimes on this bastard.

Lying about Pat Tillman's cause of death and commanding a secret unit that tortured prisoners in Iraq are a couple that I recall.

[jody]

8. I read the article, link below, very carefully. McChrystal said nothing disrespectful.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

9. but he allowed his aides to do so

and that is what is wrong, aides do not speak opinions contrary to their boss

[jody]

10. Interesting so now voters can hold presidents accountable for every word their aides' speak. I hope

that happens so We the People can enforce our authority under our Constitution to elect and refuse to reelect any president whose aides speak disrespectful about We the People.

Thanks for your insight because I had overlooked the thought you express so eloquently. :hi:

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

12. Elected officials are not military

command structures.

[jody]

13. Last time I read our Constitution the only elected official with a command structure is a president.

Are you contending that our Constitution does not mean what it says in "Article. II., Section. 1., The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America" and you mean "The executive Power {is not} vested in a President"?

IMO you should inform SCOTUS so they can reverse all their decisions acknowledging the constitutional authority of a president.

[Zoroastor]

14. The point here is that UCMJ calls for his punishment...

...regardless of whether he (or you - or even a majority of americans) like the president or agree with his policies or politics. In fact, the same holds for the vice president, the sect. of defense and a couple others. that's art. 88.

The simple fact is that mcchrystal does NOT have freedom of speech in this regard.

lump it jody. that's the way it is.

[jody]

15. Your statement "UCMJ calls for his punishment" sugests you are not familiar with the UCMJ & clearly

you've never been a commander with UCMJ authority and experience in that role.

Given the obvious differences in our knowledge of UCMJ and experience under it, further exchanges are useless.

Thanks for the exchange and have a pleasant evening. :hi:

[Zoroastor]

16. You're wrong my friend...

...my last duty assignment was detachment commander in Iraq. Before that I was a company commander, before that XO. I have 17 years in the service cut short by an IED in Ar Ramadi, so take your condescending tone elsewhere "jody".

[jody]

17. OK, your military experience is almost as much as mine but you say " UCMJ calls for his punishment"

Note you went from "Should be Charged With A Crime" in the OP to "UCMJ calls for his punishment" in #14.

Sorry but we disagree on that statement because the UCMJ does not "call" for anything.

The UCMJ does state offenses that a commander may choose to charge someone under his/her command.

Given your asserted experience you may have did one or more things for which you violated some part of the UCMJ for which you could or maybe should have been charged by your commander but IMO it limits the authority of a commander to say the UCMJ calls for you to be charged.

Moreover since you claim to have survived for so long as a commander I'll bet you had troops under your command that also violated some part of the UCMJ and you chose not to charge them.

The latter behavior is what separates great commanders from those who just fill a position and carry a title.

[Zoroastor]

18. Alright... you're right about that

Articles 88 and 134 both provide the grounds for which he could be charged. I'm actually very satisfied with the way things turned out.