More fun from the religious DU whiners...

[and-justice-for-all]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6044399&mesg_id=6044399

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8521668

[Starry Messenger]

1. I didn't think I could get any angrier today.

I guess it doesn't help that I just saw "Religulous" for the first time today. How dare he moralize about "tone"? The "tone" argument is always used by a majority to keep the status quo. It's bullshit.

[and-justice-for-all]

3. OMFG!! some of these new people are driving me up a fucking wall

I have added so many to my ignore list...

They are just starting flame bait post and arguing with people. I may have to take a long hiatus from DU, I just can not stomach this Freeper exodus to DU..

[Starry Messenger]

4. Same here.

I was actually giving it one last chance this week. I am on my last nerve.

[and-justice-for-all]

5. Did you read that shit post below me here?

went straight to ignore they did..

I just sent some an email with my concerns for the infestation, I can just tell by the post that these people are fundis..I know they are.

[Starry Messenger]

8. I know.

Lots of fundies lately. It seems if they stay "polite" they are allowed here even though their views are counter to the progressive aims of the website. It drives me nuts.

[sarcasmo]

7. I thought about taking a summer hiatus, but will still come hang out in the coolest group on D/U

Just my opinion of course, no sense to write one of those I am leaving D/U letters when I will always visit the Atheist group.

[sarcasmo]

6. I got sucked into that one and ignore listed my way out of it, my blood pressure went through the

Roof.

[Warpy]

25. I just alerted on one of those

and will continue to do so whenever I see blatantly anti atheist flame bait.

Life is too short to put up with these people.

[semillama]

2. Yes, I see it didn't take long for the faulty reasoning to come out

about how if a communist state is officially atheist, and said state commits atrocities, then the atrocities were done in the name of atheism. and of course that means that atheists have thus killed more people in the name of atheism than religious people have done in the name of religion.

[PassingFair]

9. If I want a fight with believers, I'll go to R/T and PICK ONE.

WTF is up with the MODERATORS allowing
these obvious flamebait OP's in GD, where
we are practically TRIPPING OVER THEM.

If I have to explain the definitions
of atheism and agnosticism another time,
I'm going to burst into flames.

[and-justice-for-all]

10. I have reported several...

because they are obviously trolls, it is a sickness for DU and I hope they clean it up.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Thanks for trying, I'm not doing it anymore.

Apparently the wheel of DU minorities it's okay to bash has landed on atheists again. :eyes:

[and-justice-for-all]

12. There seems to be shortage of moderators...

when the job opens again, I think I will apply.

[beam me up scottie]

13. I think they're probably swamped with all of the "unrec" threads.

Still, this has been up there a long time. After taking a look around at the debris, I suddenly remembered why I avoid GD.

[PassingFair]

14. The "unrec" thing is pure stupidity.

I can't see any good in it.

Mods should move these threads to R/T,
where they will die the short, violent
death they so richly deserve.

[beam me up scottie]

15. I'm more neutral when it comes to unrecs, it's not as bad as being able to block posters

from posting in your threads, remember that brouhaha?

I'm thoroughly sick of the cult(s) of personality on DU.

[moggie]

18. I'm in "wait and see" mode on unrec

I support it in principle: it's just a form of democracy, and it was always too easy to get threads to the "greatest" page, to the extent that that place became largely worthless. But only time will tell how well the new feature works (assuming it stays). Some of the whining against the feature has been breathtaking: did you see the writer who was all "but I need my stuff to appear on the 'greatest' page to increase my visibility and drive visitors to my own website"? The sense of entitlement some people have is amazing.

[beam me up scottie]

22. No, I missed that one, lol!

I love how many of these OHMYGAWDIT'SJUSTNOTFAIRWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHI'MSUPPOSEDTOBETHEPRETTIESTONEATMYWEDDING! posters were *FOR* the block poster option. Wanting to cement their place on TGP and silence their critics, they are terrified the lack of substance in their vanity posts will be revealed once people stop doing the "Oh, what the hell, I don't understand it but I don't want to be the only one NOT reccing this thread" dance and take a closer look.

I was on the fence but I'm starting to lean on the side of holding posters (not just lefty journalists) to a higher standard. Look what happened to Rag Story and Truthiness.out once the heat was turned on.

I never look at TGP, it's always been a popularity contest and doesn't represent the majority of DUers.

[and-justice-for-all]

28. Yeah know, I never looked a TGP either LOL...

seems like there is not only an influx of Freepers a mass exodus from the #1 racist and bigot site on the internet tubes, but also 12 year old basement dwellers.

[beam me up scottie]

32. You are required to rec your buddy's threads, no matter how meaningless and self-serving they are.

If you want to hang with the popular kids you have to play the game.

Fuck that, most DU atheists have never gone along to get along, it gives us hives.

I've seen single atheists take on dozens of angry believers in GD, you just can't kill us, we thrive on the anger coming from the oppressed majority.

[and-justice-for-all]

20. That was before me mate, but it sounds like a cheerful occasion

:sarcasm:

[beam me up scottie]

23. Oh, you have no idea. I came back to DU just so I could leave in protest.

Imagine the usual suspects posting their atheist/skeptic/glbt baiting threads with the ability to censor their critics.
Having their own echo chambers wasn't enough, they wanted to control all of the main forums too.

It was a horrible idea, and to admin's credit, a short lived one.

All of the wailing and hand wringing about the unrec option "silencing" voices is nothing but hyperbole and hypocrisy.

[and-justice-for-all]

26. I agree...unrec compared to the previous failed idea is nothing..

I have no problem with the unrec, it is not a popularity contest..well, perhaps to some, but not me.

[beam me up scottie]

33. I've decided I'm with the "Ban recs/unrecs and TGP" faction.

We've watched the dungeon dwellers abuse tgp for years, a pct will have 100+ recs before its been up 30 minutes.
They do it because they know the thread's life in the main forums is limited.

[moggie]

36. What, you had a 'hello cruel world' thread?

I bet you flounced real good! :rofl:

[beam me up scottie]

37. Why, thank you. I don't like to brag but I did take flouncing lessons in finishing school.

It's more difficult than it looks, only a real princess can look graceful doing a swan dive off the top of her soapbox.

[PassingFair]

39. At least they busted up the bullshit that was going on in the lounge.

I enjoyed most of the controlling crew, but
cripes, it's so much more pleasant now.

[beam me up scottie]

40. The Lounge has always scared me.

Something as innocent as acknowledging my friends could get me torn to shreds at any moment...

[TZ]

45. Wow. Thanks.

Glad to know what people really think of me. Why am I still even posting here?
I'll take my "nastiness" elsewhere.

[and-justice-for-all]

19. I do not see what the fuss is with the Rec/Unrec...

It is the same as NOT recommending a thread when you unrec it.

It is not as though that when the thread goes negative that it disappears, some people think of this as popularity contest and that is just absurd.

[enlightenment]

21. I think the issue I have with it is that it will be used by the lazy in

less than intelligent ways. Not that that doesn't happen already; unrec just adds a new level of absurdity.

I read a thread this morning (I think - last night, maybe?) that showed just how some people will use it. They were complaining because the actual number of 'unrecommends' doesn't show - just the <0. They said that was unfair and people should know how many unrecs a post has so they can determine it's worth.

Is this the problem of the idiots who choose to trust something like 'unrec' (or 'rec' for that matter) rather than developing an opinion for themselves? Of course. But it is also a potentially slippery slope, as people use the feature to attack posters they don't like, regardless of the topic and more people use the feature as an alternative to actual thought.

Combine this with the increasing number of people who complain if you post more than three sentences (and they had better be simple sentences - compound sentences are beyond them) and refuse to read a 'long' post (i.e., anything more than three sentences) and DU is well on its way to total idiocracy.

DU worked just fine before 'rec' and the Greatest Page came along. I wish we would lose both of these popularity contest tools.

[beam me up scottie]

24. "DU worked just fine before 'rec' and the Greatest Page came along" I concur.

They are popularity contests, they should get rid of recs/unrecs and tgp.

[and-justice-for-all]

27. Oh the madness...nt

[sarcasmo]

30. I think you are right about the moderator shortage, some of those threads in GD should

Have been placed in the Religion/Theology forum.

[sarcasmo]

29. I noticed that too, but it made me wonder why it seems the attacks are up.

[beam me up scottie]

31. I've been out of the loop but I think all of the negative publicity about The Family

and the appointment of the NIH religious stooge has them all in a tizzy.

A lot of the newbie atheists in GD are NOT helping, I love a good knock down/drag out as much as anybody but when you wave the "sky-daddy" flag in front of the apologists you're just asking for a massacre that leaves everybody pissed off. One attack op on christianity will spawn weeks of backlash.

sigh...

[laconicsax]

16. Love it.

I like being reminded of some things from time to time.

[Odin2005]

17. This religionist BS is pathetic.

:puke:

[onager]

34. Look what happened to Stalin!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x212956

:evilgrin:

[moggie]

35. At last we'll be able to worship him openly!

I was getting tired of the secret ceremonies.

[Warpy]

38. We've got another one today

and after a brief and testy reply to that "fundie atheist" horse shit, I decided he could live on ignore.

I really am sick of those people.

[sarcasmo]

43. I agree, ignore is the best way to go.

[Evoman]

41. I find the whole thing amusing and entertaining. Sorry guys, but I love the religious flame wars.

I don't even participate anymore...I'm too busy laughing at the fact that I can predict every line of the damn thread almost perfectly.

You know what I think to myself when I look in General Discussion and see a 300+ reply thread about religion?

"HA...what fun. I wonder if all my favourite posters from both sides will come out to play". CLICK.

"Yes....BMUS, Spoony, and-justice-for-all.....oh wow, there is pnwmom. Awesome...I'm gonna go grab a cup of coffee" *Grabs Coffee, gets comfortable and clicks on the thread*

"Oh, this is gonna be a good one.....FUNDIE ATHEISTS who are just as bad as religionists....look at that subthread length...haha...fucking awesome"

[dropkickpa]

42. Me too!

I really do enjoy them thoroughly. I freely admit I also watch bad reality TV (Rock of Love, Charm School, etc), so the thrill is similar, just less actual hair pulling.

[moggie]

44. I think of it like visiting the zoo

We probably all feel bad about animals being in captivity, in an unnatural habitat, and that's the great thing about DU: the denizens are free to come and go as they please. So you can marvel at their howling, poo-flinging and elaborate ritual displays with a clear conscience.

[sarcasmo]

46. Like visiting the Zoo, great comparison.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

47. The xtians all backpedal.

I tell them I think original sin is a horrible idea, and they say "Nooooo, LOTS of christians don't believe in it, yada yada..." and they start coming up with pretty much explicitly non-xtians like Unitarians and say they are Christians...I've yet to meet a UU Christian.

They also say they don't require people to recite a creed, yada yada....again only the UUs don't require a creedal test, and they are not xtian.

[trotsky]

48. It's the only way to "successfully" dodge the arguments against their religion.

The god they end up defending is some detached, impersonal, nebulous concept of "love." Having successfully abstracted the concept into meaninglessness, they declare victory in their minds and resume heaping on the baggage of a man-god, having "sacrificed" himself for our "sins," and all that other flotsam and jetsam.

[trotsky]

49. No surprise on the author of that second one.

Didn't know he was still around, thought the p-p-p-poor p-p-p-persecuted one had abandoned DU due to its horrible treatment of Christians. But I do note that true to form for him, it's a drive-by posting.

[charlie]

50. Oh cripes, that asshole

The board's biggest crybaby. Someone saying something bad about God somewhere, anywhere, gives him the green shits. Yet, he had a conniption over an interfaith rally because there's only one true God and Real Christians wouldn't rub elbows with Hindoolians, even for common cause. Groused over the UCC's "welcoming" ads, because accomodating homer-sekshuls is un-biblical pandering. And as thin-skinned as he is about his religion, he starts taunting threads with ROFL icons ridiculing DUers for their stances on issues he doesn't like.

He's a breathing specimen of the kind of Christian that gets up everybody's nose, including most other Christians around here.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

51. Not sure who you're talking about.

Not that it matters, really.

I really don't like the idea they have, that you just are NOT supposed to criticize xtians or the failings of their bloodthirsty superstitious and illogical book and doctrines.

I have been reprimanded over my new handle, that I will have to "change my attitude about xtianity" before i manifest any light, or I better change, yada yada......

My new handle was suggested by somebody over in ASAH, which the xtians tend to think is woo-woo airyfairy nonsense.... I don't believe anything the xtians say and I take ASAH with a large box of salt, b/c of my skeptical nature--but I will admit that everything that happens (gut feelings, hunches) is not able to be explained rationally or stuffed in a box.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

52. "a conniption over an interfaith rally" - wow, I want the nitty gritty about that one.

Link? (If it hasn't been deleted)

[charlie]

54. I found two

A post on the topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1420983#1421275

and a thread he started:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1432722

I can't find the pile-on that happened because he was acting like a dink, though.

Check out how he puts a point on it at the end, it's a favorite trope of his -- "Is it any wonder teh religious right thinks the left is Godless?" Usually, it's our wariness of church/state entanglements that makes him fret about our reputation. Here, a full bore God-a-palooza makes us "godless" as well.

[trotsky]

56. Nice work digging those turds up.

What a putrid little dickwad.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

57. Holy fucking SHIT

That's tolerance fer ya.

[moggie]

53. Ah!

Did this guy change his username in the last amnety? Because that sounds familiar, but not associated with this username.

I wish I'd kept a list of old and new usernames. More than once I've found myself thinking "hey, is that the jerk who said x a couple of years ago?", and a list would make it easier.

[charlie]

55. No, same name

I know what you mean about the name changes. A few times I've been thinking, hey this guy/gal is really friendly, then realizing later it's someone I've known forever :)

[pink-o]

58. It's really difficult for some people to let go of the idea that humans are special, superior,

and favored above all other species. We were all indoctrinated at a very young age, and those of us in this group have been able to slog thru the shit and see the fairy tale for what it is. It took me a long time, however, I believed in a superior being as little as 15 years ago, when my Atheist ex-husband refused any mention of God in our marriage ceremony. So this is where the pretzel logic comes from: fear. The same place the RW idiots get most of their arguments as well. Let's demonize the Atheists and Agnostics, sling shit at them so we can trivialize their message and go back to our comfort zone.

It's just really sad to hear "liberals" puke out these stupid talking points. I guess empathy and compassion only works when it's not your tree being shaken!