Will Harry live past Book 7?

[Pithy Cherub]

JKR, herself, has hinted at Harry's possible demise. I am still trying to ascertain as to what sacrifice would make that worth it.

We know that out of the Quartet of Marauders, one was cursed from childhood, one betrayed his friends, one went to prison then later died fighting for the Order and the another died and left his son to tell the story. That does NOT bode well for the quartet of Harry, Hermione, Ron & Neville. Will any of the current marauders betray Harry? Seeking a wee bit of cheeriness here in the midst of much evidence to the contrary.

What do you think... 118 days until more answers~

edit: trying to understand html, doing much better with Aristotle

[outraged2]

1. I think so

I have always thought Harry was destined to be the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, even before the DA began.

[Pithy Cherub]

3. According to Harry he wants to be an Auror. OOTP

McGonagall gave him the 'happy' news that it required three more years of training after Hogwarts AND a NEWT in -ickkkk - potions. She was going to help him herself against the toad, Umbridges wishes.

Not sure Harry wants to be a teacher. I am reading Harry Potter And Philosohpy: If Aristotle Ran Hogwarts. It is written by a wide range of philosophers and PhD's that cover a wide range of motivations from JKR to all of characters. The descriptions of the contributors contain all manner of HP references that are quite humorous alongside heavy duty credentials. :)

[outraged2]

4. I know he wants to be an auror

... but I haven't been able to shake my gut feeling that Harry would end up as DADA teacher. I have absolutely nothing to back up that feeling.... just a hunch that I had reading the first book that has gotten progressively stronger with every new book that comes out.

Do you like that book - If Aristotle Ran Hogwarts? I had forgotten about it. (Thanks for mentioning it) I know I have read an interview and/or quotes in an article with the author. I have been researching the philosophy of HP. I think its fascinating. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to do much since December because of my current class load at school and general mayhem in my life, but I want to get back to it.

[Pithy Cherub]

5. Your hunches are inspired and we

will all have learned humility. Our batting averages will be decimated by the time JKR is finished. ;)

Am finding the scholarship that went into the Philosphy very broad, thought provoking and highly interesting. There is a great deal of intellectual firepower brought to bear on the HP series and its overt and covert themes. I find myself continuously surprised at the global scholars that study all aspects of HP very closely. There is no higher tribute in my mind to JKR.

Do you think Dumbledore is modeled after Aristotle and the way he taught Alexander the Great? I see aspects of the Parable of the Cave in the way Harry and company challenge the status quo too.

Wishing you well in school fellow HP fan! :toast: :pals:

[outraged2]

7. "Do you think Dumbledore is modeled after Aristotle....

...and the way he taught Alexander the Great?"

Yes. Well, I don't actually know much about Aristotle and Alexander, but Dumbledore and what he says remind me very strongly of Aristotle. I definitely see the Parable of the Cave in the stories. Its great stuff. I love the many many layers and interweaving of so much information and thought.

I was taking an ethics class last semester, and things we talked about in class often went straight to the HP section of my brain and set me off down this path. Over Christmas break I started doing research. I started with the Stoics, and switched to Plato. I read the Trial and Death of Socrates, The Symposium, a couple of others I can't think of at the moment, and started rereading The Republic. At that point I ran out of time and spring semester started. I found all kinds of things and have a pile of notecards, from the HP books and Plato. I am planning on moving on to Aristotle and others as soon as I have time. I want to write a paper, which may be a bit strange since I have no assignment and no one to turn it in to :)

In another thread long ago did you say that you majored or minored in philosophy?

[Pithy Cherub]

9. There is a written essay, book or dissertation to be published

in your future with that Harry Potter material. It would be most enjoyable to read. Personally, I have a life long love of philosophy and the embedded foundational logic. Indulged other things in school.

The joy of HP is that you may happily read the stories for the sheer joy, but for those searching for deeper meanings and nuance it is all there. HP has something for everyone. I am really interested in seeing how Hermione tries to gain some more influence with SPEW - her approaches have all failed and what will it say about perseverance and tenacity. Luna does embody that now too.

[XemaSab]

2. Which would be which?

"....one was cursed from childhood, one betrayed his friends, one went to prison then later died fighting for the Order and the another died and left his son to tell the story."

So out of Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Neville, we'd have to have one that was already cursed in order to follow in the footsteps of the original marauders. That would further ixnay Ron and Hermione.

Problematic.

[Pithy Cherub]

6. Hmmm, not a direct correlation in outcome

but a foreshadowing of what MAY befall this generation by other means. The HP books have a consistent (except for POA) framework but it is deeply layered with sophistication about the lessons the group learns after each escape. The lessons become murkier and harder after each book mirroring real life.

An exact replication of the Original Marauders is not meant for HP and his Marauders. The charm of the books is watching Harry learn at least two sets of lessons his parent's generation and his. His generation at least has a female included in the original group. Lilly came in Year 7 for the original marauders.

Ron will probably have some more issues - money mainly - that will cause some more growing pains in his relationship with Harry who's loaded. ;)

[XemaSab]

8. I think the profound message for Harry

is the fact that most of the original maurauders were killed off or otherwise met unhappy endings. His knowledge of this sort of taints the whole series. What started out as a fun-loving group of kids, for the original generation, ended up being a complete bloodbath, and there's definitely a growing sense that history will in some way repeat itself.

[Matilda]

10. Can JKR's hints be just a red herring?

I have a feeling that we may lose Dumbledore in Book 6, in order to
pave the way for Harry's emergence as the most powerful wizard for
the Light in Book 7. As long as Dumbledore is with us, Harry can
probably not fulfil his potential, so I have this awful feeling
that DD will leave us in HBP.

But if Harry doesn't survive, it will send the message that the
good guys can't win - even if Voldemort dies too, it would be a
bad sign. I think he has to live, and go on to be - what? - perhaps
the DADA teacher, and in time, principal of Hogwarts.

[Pithy Cherub]

11. Harry has to become the most powerful wizard

by some action and acclamation. The same way he is famous now - everyone has to view his power as real. The end of Order just restored his reputation after everyone had written him off. Now he is ripe to do something spectacular and to really top it off, it will have to be without Dumbledore's assistance.

Upon reflection, Dumbledore may last until the beginning of Book 7 because he has yet to train Harry personally in the practice of Light Magic. This would ensure the transistion from Dumbledore to harry as the most powerful Wizard.

harry wants to play Wizard cops and robbers as an Auror. teaching is too laid back for him - he is the most curious and spontaneous of the three and probably has racked up way more detention time for breaking the rules. Hence, why Harry gets into sooooo much trouble.

[XemaSab]

22. Dumbledore

might be DADA in book 7....

Why hasn't it happened sooner???

[XemaSab]

12. I'm rereading "Sorcerer's Stone"

and I'm wondering what's going to happen with Hagrid.

I never really got a vibe about Hagrid before, but the whole "Well Dumbledore trusts him" thing seems to raise a red flag.

Thoughts?

[Pithy Cherub]

13. Amazing how many more

things pop up when you revisit the stories.

There is something Dumbledore did for Hagrid that we know - All of the Maslow hiearchy of needs level one stuff. What we don't know is what Hagrid did for Dumbledore for such a high level of trust... hmmmm... Perhaps, Hagrid was too big to show up at the regular Order meetings. Also, does Tom Riddle/Voldemort still have reason to hate Hagrid? Don't think anything nefarious with Hagrid, just something missing that's really important.

[davidinalameda]

14. wasn't Hagrid out of the country during the OOTP

and I think that Voldemort hates anyone who defends Dumbledore

[Pithy Cherub]

17. Hagrid returns about half way through...

Yes Lord Voldemumps despises Hagrid. Just wondering after getting Hagrid expelled if Voldy had any additional reasons to hate Hagrid we know not. Something wicked this way comes...

Waiting (impatiently) for the JKR interviews prior to publishing to get a few tiny morsels of insight...

[XemaSab]

15. Possibly nefarious

I'm looking at hagrid much more critically this read. He was in knockturn alley, he's had a bunch of really shady dealings.

Suspicious.

[Pithy Cherub]

16. In OOPT their are several less than savory

characters in the Order. On purpose - the goal was to have spies everywhere for those practing Light Magic. Harry gets in just as much trouble as Hagrid does as an adult. I think Hagrid is genuinely good, he just takes a different avenue (monsters etc.) to arrive. Hagrid is also so profoundly Dumbledore's agent, that he would have to be seriously hoodwinked to do something that would hurt any of them. :)

[XemaSab]

18. He seems to get hoodwinked easily though

like the incident with fluffy and the dragon's egg in book one.

Even if he doesn't mean to, I think he could cause a huge amount of damage for the good side.

[XemaSab]

19. Another thing I'm really musing on

Is the legilomancy aspect: there's more than one moment in the first 4 books where Harry gets into trouble when Snape's around.

I'm thinking specifically of the time when they're trying to steal the boomslang skin so they can turn into slytherins and Harry throws the firecracker into the cauldron in Potions.

If Snape knew what they were up to, why didn't he stop them?

[Pithy Cherub]

20. Harry had an unconscious competency

in occulemency - blocking thoughts. Snapes teaching him of the finer points of blocking didn't fare so well due to Harry being almost as good as Snape without the training. Harry also consciously didn't practice (his enduring trouble causing curiosity)becuase he liked going into Voldemorts head. Legilimens also requires a lot of eye contact which harry avoided Snapes eyeballs as much as possible. :hide:

[XemaSab]

21. I finished book 3

So Snape was the one who alerted Dumbledore that the potters were going to be attacked, right?

And why did Sirius break into Gryffindor tower and slash the curtains?

[Coventina]

32. He was looking for Scabbers, AKA Peter Pettigrew

He wanted to kill him, remember?

[deadparrot]

23. I think Harry will,

but I think many, many important characters will die. Including at least one out of Hermione and Ron.

[Pithy Cherub]

24. Ron may be the Weasley

that dies. That is profoundly sad...on top of the others that will be no more. No happily ever after here...ughhh Would LOVE to be WRONG!:P

[davidinalameda]

25. Ron CAN'T Die

he's going to be Hermione's man

[Pithy Cherub]

26. I Don't want Ron to die!

I want the happily ever after part... But the books are about a message and sacrifice.

And ohhhhh, it hurts me greatly to think of Dumbledore dying too! Maybe another major character...:cry:

[davidinalameda]

27. but these are still children's books

killing Cedric was such a shock to me, I can't imagine what killing off someone like Ron would do to a younger reader

[Pithy Cherub]

28. The power of the story is

the bow to real life and its moral challenges - that is one reason why we as adults love it so much. Alas, I want a Ron & Hermione wedding but, um, I may have some Cinderella issues remaining from childhood...

The younger readers love this stuff - Goosebumps, Lemony Snickets all of them deal with the dark side. Me - I freaked when Mufasa died in the Lion King. Had to leave the theatre wearing shades...:smoke:

[XemaSab]

29. I've read children's books before

where the main character, or another important character, dies.

Where the Red Fern Grows comes to mind.

The "Below the Root" books by Zilpha Keatley Snyder (who is a good democrat!) have a MAJOR character dying at the end.

Hell, in the Chronicles of Narnia, CS Lewis kills off EVERYONE FROM ALL THE BOOKS at the end.

The Philip Pullman books don't have any kind of happy ending.

I'm thinking someone major is going to eat it at the end of the Harry Potter books. If not one of the dynamic trio, Dumbledore, Neville, Lupin, Mad-Eye, one of the other Weaselys, Hagrid, and McGonagall are all just sitting there waiting for it.

[radfringe]

30. most of disney movies has a parent dieing or already dead

bambi's mom
nemo's mom
little foot's mom

[XemaSab]

31. Much of children's lit has the

dead parent theme.

I'm talking dead protagonist action here, a la the original little mermaid story.

(You forgot lion king, BTW).