I used the "Google" all morning looking...Does what I need exist?

[Paper Roses]

I have a sump pump in my basement that takes care of any water we get into the cellar of this old house. I am subject to a fairly heavy amount of water rising through the base of the pump well when the water table gets too high after any large rainstorm. Do not flood through the foundation.

I have been looking on-line for some type of a system that will allow me to manually pump out the water if we should lose power as we did for a few hours during our last big rainstorm. My efforts are to prepare for a longer outage should this simmer bring hurricane or other long term outages of power.

I do not want to buy a portable generator. I have no place to put it and no knowledge of how to use it. Generator is out.

What I am looking for is some sort of a manually operated in-line pump that I could use, one end into the pump well, me somewhere in the middle hand pumping to another connecting hose that would send the water outside--up hill. A siphon will not work because the water has to rise about 6 feet to get outside.
I can buy another bilge pump, pump from the pump well to a 5 gallon bucket and then pump from the bucket to the outside.

That procedure would double the amount of hand pumping I would need to do.

What I need is some kind of an arrangement that has an intake from the pump well and an exit to the outdoors. Me pumping in the middle.

Any such thing? I can't find it.

I did go to a marine store and they have a small pump that runs on D batteries. The pump would go into the well with the pedestal pump, I can buy an extra long exit hose to get it outside. The diameter is much smaller than the regular pump. I'd have to buy about a zillion D batteries but that is OK as long as it keeps up the pumping so that I could reach it to change the batteries without wading knee high through water.

I have no idea if this would work.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks
PR

[Hassin Bin Sober]

1. How about skip the generator and get a pump with a gas engine?

No electric or grounding or working with water around electric to worry about.


http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200380049_200380049



Or if you REALLy want to go the manual route ... but I suspect that would be a real pain in the arse. Staying up all night pumping. I remember watching my basement pump well fill up awful fast when the sump was turned off after a big rain. Doesn't seem like you would get much rest - AND your arm might fall off.


This looks like it would do the trick. Northern Tool has some nifty stuff and I plan on bein' a customer iffin I ever buy my land. But now I'm on the third floor in a condo so I'll have to dream.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200333662_200333662



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[Paper Roses]

3. Thanks, I was on the phone with Northern Tools this AM

It was suggested by the fellow I spoke with that I call "Wayne", the manufacturer of their pumps to see if they had a better suited product, or at least one that would be easier for me to operate. Have to wait to make the call, time zone. I asked specific questions about both products but the clerk wanted me to contact Wayne first.

In my quest, I found this on line @ HomeDepot.com Flotec Emergence pump.

It operates via your home water pressure using suction power. Of course, I called the water department and they had no idea if out town water pressure was sufficient to operate this gizmo.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xh3/R-100665944/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I'm making progress.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

4. That's a nifty gadget.

If you can find out the required water pressure for that gadget you can test your own water pressure with THIS gadget:

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xmi/R-100175467/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I love gadgets.

[Paper Roses]

5. Still searching, found this.

http://www.jmesales.com/item/21252/EZ-Sump-Pumper-With-Hose-Strainer-Kit.aspx

Spoke with these folks, they will be calling me back. I had a question about the capability of this pump to pump up and out. Also I wanted to know how long the handle was. Longer the handle, less leverage required. I suppose I could fit a piece of PVC or metal pipe over the existing one if I need to.

The clerk is going to find the answers and call me back.

The gas powered engines will only last a short time. I would fall asleep and find out in the AM that nothing worked because I ran out of gas The model pictured lasts 1 1/2 hours on a tank. I'd rather stay up and hand pump.

RE the Home Depot pedestal pump, I called Flotec. I would need to tie into the water intake (house intake after the meter) and have at least 40 psi pressure. Not going to buy that one, the pipes are old enough that I know something would go wrong with something. Plus I would need a plummer. That one is out.

I'll keep you posted.

[Jersey Devil]

10. Gas engine indoors would be very dangerous if not properly ventilated

If anyone is thinking of using a gas powered engine in the basement they better have all the windows open and a fan to ventilate or there could be a carbon monoxide buildup.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

2. you may even find a gas pump with a built in electric start

Pumping up hill you will indeed need the power of a motar.

[Paper Roses]

6. Yesterday I bought this pump . I think it should do the job.

I was given assurances by the mfgrs. that it was easy to use and that it would pump up to ground level.

I will also keep my eyes open for anything else that looks good.


http://www.jmesales.com/item/21252/EZ-Sump-Pumper-With-Hose-Strainer-Kit.aspx

Thanks for your help.

[Inchworm]

8. First thing that came to mind was a barrel pump

Also called a drum pump. We needed to get some water out of a boat one time and one was handy. Worked like a charm.

I bet what you have there will work perfectly though.

:)

[conscious evolution]

7. 12 volt car battery and a 1000 watt dc-ac invertor.

[ConcernedCanuk]

11. I manage with just a 400Watt inverter (320 watt continuous)

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Mind you, the sump pump only consumes 3 amps(120V x 3 = 360 watts)

So the amperage and wattage of the sump pump would be the factor here.

If one put wires to the outside to be able to connect to their vehicle;

one wouldn't even need to buy an extra battery.

Caution:

I've found some converters do not operate properly if the vehicle is running - so use the inverter when your vehicle is NOT running.

SO

a little wiring, a $100 inverter

problem solved

[NNN0LHI]

9. Check into a Water Powered Backup Sump Pump

I have had people tell me they work great.

Never seen one in action or installed one though.

Good luck.

Don