DU GROUP PROPOSAL : Barbara Boxer '08!

[Stop_the_War]

Who's with me?

[Windy]

1. Me! She's got a spine!!! (unlike so many other unfortunately!)

I'll be on the steering committee!

[Stop_the_War]

2. Yes she would be the BEST candidate...

[Vadem]

3. YES!!! Considering that Hillary has gone right on us!......n/t

[electropop]

10. She's tough AND understands the issues.

This is a VERY rare combination. Conyers for VP please.

[Robert Oak]

4. Absolutely, great candidate

I'd go w/ Kerry again too, but absolutely NO HILLARY! Hillary Clinton
is in bed with the India caucus, you know the ones peddling their
outsourcing and taking high value jobs out of the country? (now
about to buy our telecommunications network, you know the one
with all of the business and sensitive data on it?)

Clinton also would have voted with the bankruptcy law and the vote on that one...frankly the whole lot of 'em should declare themselves in the corporate party.

Neither Boxer or Kerry voted for it. Kerry was coming round on
a lot of economic issues, although he still had some "free traitor"
economics (wrongly) advising him...he still had a very thoughtful
team.

Boxer stands up and calls a spade a spade and truly is more in line
with American interests.

Just abosolutely no more corporate party members running under
the democratic flag. Clinton signed NAFTA plus pushed through the CHINA PNTR and really sold the American middle class down the river long term.

The damage now being done to the country is so enormous I pity the
"true American" who obtains power, what a mess...no matter what,
they are the ones who will have the consequences of the last 20 years
...aka pollution, free trade (race to the bottom) economy, global
warming, privatization interests running amok and so forth....

what a MESS! Can we even get a patriot elected?

But, one thing we have to had somebody who has a spine and that
sure as shit isn't "in the corporate pocket" Hillary.

[Patch64]

16. BOXER AND KERRY

or maybe BOXER AND DEAN

[katinmn]

5. There's more of us!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1663602&mesg_id=1663602&page=

[UrbScotty]

6. I'll join in!

:thumbsup:

[renaissanceguy]

7. I'm with you!

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/477746

[PresidentObama]

8. I'm With Kerry....BUT...

I still LOVE Barbara Boxer. Good luck guys

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[JohnnyBoots]

11. She is one of the toughest Dems out there but.....

Do you really a think an assertive, confident woman could play in the NASCAR/NRA dad south? Maybe the overburdened housewives would rise up in a land slide? I see her more as a vp or even minority leader, get harry reid ot of there. For a run in '08 who would you pair her with? If we do run a woman candidate I would much rather have her than hillary. At least Boxer has a set of ovaries big enough to stand up to the man and not back down.

[demokatgurrl]

14. No, those poor rednecks would be terrified of her-

she's the gutsiest Dem in politics today and my FIRST CHOICE for 2008. But she doesn't have a prayer of winning in this backwater of a country.

[Clark Bayh 2008]

12. More proof that Zell was right...

[UrbScotty]

13. Huh?

Explain.

[Clark Bayh 2008]

45. Miller says clearly that the Dems won't put up NATIONAL candidates

Who votes for Boxer outside of a diehard blue state?

Soccer moms think Boxer is a qualified commander in chief to prosecute terrorists?

Can we start thinking with our minds & not our indignation?

If you want to vote Green, vote Green or for Nader. The democratic party wants to win elections. And thus needs to show that it is progressive, responsible, & can lead the military power of this country. Finally, Boxer is already from a blue state that would go republican under almost no circumstances (forgive us Ahnold).

[Patch64]

15. Barbara Boxer 08

All for it!!! If you can spare a small donation, she needs money!!If we ALL send what we can, when we can we can gain strength. We must rebuild and fast!

[Patch64]

17. Hope you won't mind but

I mailed this page to Barbara Boxer

[docdaddy]

18. Boxer

Don't know enough about her other than she stood up to some of
the softy democrats, as well as risked her political butt
against W's gang.  I'd be interested in learning more about
her, but mostly I'm afraid that as a "little-known",
and as a female, the country might not be ready yet.  Could
you imagine another imbecile from this current group getting
in by default?

OY VAY!

Doc

[imenja]

19. I'm in

[paineinthearse]

20. I will support it. nt

[lonestarnot]

21. In like flynn!

[Akno21]

22. How is she better than Kerry?

She has a long senate record, she's a senator, she's a liberal.

Which state will she win that Kerry did not?

Senators don't work. Get that into your heads. Goldwater, Humphrey (was), McGovern, Mondale (was), Dole, Gore (was), and Kerry. Learn the lesson.

[BamaLefty]

23. Amen

Governor is the way to go........

[Ken Burch]

29. Which dooms us to another DLC'er, which dooms us to eight wasted years

even if the DLC'er wins.

Don't vote for Democrats who act like Republicans.
It's just not worth it.

[imenja]

24. because she has the courage of her convictions

Because she's not afraid to stand up for an issue, because she represents the American people rather than playing for cameras. And because she's not a proven loser.

Hell will freeze over before John Kerry gets another presidential nomination.

[Akno21]

25. Doesn't matter

She doesn't represent the American people. You underestimate how much of the USA is made up of homophobic bigots. She represents the liberal state of California, she is not representive of the American people.

It doesn't matter that she has conviction, her stands are not ones that will win an election nationally in the United States. You are also ignoring the fact that she is a senator. Senators cannot win.

[imenja]

26. I'm not a homophobic bigot and I don't want a party that cow tows to them

Kerry can't win either, so you ask why she is better than he, I gave a list of reasons. I could give lots more. The Democrats obviously have done very poorly at trying to guess who Americans will vote for. They vote for Republicans. Gaming the elections isn't work. It's time we try standing up for principles for a change. And if you don't like Boxer, don't support her. But I really don't appreciate this so-called pragmatic argument that has a proven track record of unmitigated failure.

Feel free to nominate a bigot if that is who you prefer. That, however, belongs in another club forum.

[Akno21]

27. We don't have to tow to them

but we can do things that will enable us to win.

A) Don't nominate senators. They have unaviodable baggage, and many of them have adapted senate-speak. Just look at the results. They don't win.

B) Nominate someone moderate, perferebly from the south. Face facts, the last 3 people who got elected and were Democrats since the political shift of '68 (Carter, Clinton, Gore -He won Florida) were from the south, and most of them were governors, Gore was a senator but also a VP and had the benefit of being VP during the most glorious time in American history.

Kerry, for all his faults, was a slim margin in one state away from winning. I don't think Barb Boxer could be in that position. She is a liberal senator, just like John Kerry. We did stand up for our principles in 2004. Kerry was a lot closer to the average liberal than you might think. He was an intellectual, socially liberal, typical northeasterner, etc. If we were really going to pander to the social conservatives in 2004, we would not have nominated Kerry. He was the most liberal candidate outside of Dean with a credible chance at the nomination. it didn't work.

A moderate Democrat is better than Bush, or whoever the GOP puts up in 2008. All our elected presidents have been moderates, Carter and Clinton.

[imenja]

28. I dispute that

the moderate part anyway. We keep trying that, and it's not working. When confronted with a real Republican and a pretend Republican, people choose the real thing.


You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but it is not okay to dump on the idea of a Boxer group because she doesn't fit within your narrow idea of permissible speech in our political system.
Take it to the DLC forum, Bayh group, or somewhere else you think appropriate. They are doing a very good job of plotting the complete destruction of the party. Feel free to help them continue it.

[Akno21]

30. Kerry was not a moderate,

at least by most standards. He is a liberal, not a moderate. When we tried to be moderate with Clinton, it worked. John Kerry was not a pretend republican. Joe Lieberman would be a pretend republican. We did not nominate a moderate in 2004.

Nominating someone like Bill Clinton will get a Democrat in the white house, not destroy our party.

[imenja]

31. the difference between Kerry and Clinton had to do with personal skills

not some amorphous notion of what is "moderate." At any rate,the purpose of this thread is a DU group proposal for Boxer 2008. That's it. Save your speech for Fox News.

[Akno21]

32. One can be a lib dem

and still think a Boxer candidacy is a death omen. Boxer isn't exactly mrs. charismatic either, from what I've seen of her.

As a loyal Democrat, I feel it is my duty to do my part to prevent valuable resources (through persuasion, not anything criminal) from going to candidates who cannot win.

I don't see how opposing a Boxer candidacy shames me enough to be on Fox News. And it's against liberal values to stifle opposition, as you are trying to do.

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[Ken Burch]

47. As Jerry Lee Lewis would say

"Whole Lotta Deletin' Goin On"

(of course, he'd get deleted for posting that...)

[DrGonzoLives]

37. So moderate means "pretend Republican" now

Brilliant strategy. I also love how not supporting Boxer equates to being some kind of DLC stooge.

Get a grip.

[Ken Burch]

38. It sure as hell did under Clinton...As it sure as hell will under Hilary..

"Moderate" is a euphemism for "fuck the workers, fuck the poor, the only people we should care about are suburban parents who hate and fear sex and corporate donors who can right us big checks."

"Moderate" means being the party of people in luxury boxes, not the party of people with lunch boxes.

[DrGonzoLives]

40. "Moderate" is what most people are

But, please, by all means, continue living in your fictional reality.

[imenja]

44. support anyone you like

but why feel the need to dump on Boxer in this forum? Do you resent the idea that some of us would choose to support her and prefer the field be as narrow as possible? I really don't understand the anti-Boxer invasion of this thread.

The so-called moderates are doing an excellent job controlling the party and keeping us out of power. Is that not enough for right now?

[Ken Burch]

46. I think it's the "so-called moderates" who are actually the ones

trashing your thread, imenja.

I'd be glad to support Boxer if she got nominated. Boxer/Obama, Boxer/Feingold and Boxer/Salazar are all strong possible tickets(maybe Boxer/Napolitano as well.)

[Joey Liberal]

34. I'm with you!

Barbara Boxer is a hero in my book.

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[renaissanceguy]

36. Hillary is a RW DINO.

Of course the DLCers like yourself tend to think they are centrist, when they just bend over for the Repugs at every opportunity.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/507794

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[renaissanceguy]

41. So denying a woman's right over her body

is pragmatic?

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[imenja]

43. I'm in. let's get this group started!

:kick:

[sellitman]

48. I'm for Boxer!!!

Boxer/Conyers 2008!!!!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Liberty Belle]

49. Boxer-Edwards in '08

Boxer's the best!

Edwards is working at an anti-poverty center now, and the public is ready to support a "pro consumer" lawyer working in the public interest, I think. Plus he's cute as a button!

[cosmokramer]

52. Yuk....

Don't agree with you there on JE being 'cute'.

Now this is handsome:

:evilgrin:

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[cosmokramer]

51. Nope, we don't need a candidate from California who won't

help us in the heartland. Also, no more senators.

Love Boxer, but it would be a losing venture for us again, and I am sick and tired of suffering under the Christian-Wrong rule.

[renaissanceguy]

56. It doesn't mean she shouldn't run.

We need progressive voices in the race to keep people like Hillary in check. Boxer should be encouraged to run, even if you wouldn't vote for her, but still believe in progressive values.



http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272075

[Renew Deal]

53. Didn't she say she's not running?

[Apollo11]

54. Gore Boxer 2008

Does anybody here think that Bush is in the Whitehouse because the Dems lost the last two elections? Sorry I don't buy that. Who here trusts Katherine Harris? Who trusts Kenneth Blackwell? Who trusts Diebold and ES&S to count every vote?

The Dems don't need to win every state in the Union. All they need is clean and fair elections (preferably using paper ballots) so that the will of the people can be heard. And that includes the people of Ohio and Florida!

So the problem is not that Gore lost in 2000 and Kerry lost in 2004. The problems is that we have a Republican machine that will stop at nothing to take and hold power, including "winning" critical elections by any means necessary.

Senator Boxer is one of the few Dems willing to stand up and be counted on the issue of voter rights, electronic voting and electoral integrity. She is the only Senator who was willing to stick her neck out and force Congress to debate these issues.

So I agree with all those who say - go Boxer !!!

But my dream ticket would be Gore-Boxer, because Gore deserves another shot at taking the job he already earned in 2000. And when it comes to the Iraq issue Gore is cleaner than Kerry. Plus Gore is more of a likeable guy. Kerry has a habit of marrying incredibly rich women. Plus he had his first marriage annulled, so he could hook up with Heinz. Sorry - but that leaves a sour taste.

Wes Clark had a good chance in 2004. He had support from the Clintons. Michael Moore, Madonna. But he failed to make a significant impact in the primaries, partly because he was not comfortable talking about issues other than defense. Sure - on paper he would be a strong candidate, and tough for the Republicans to run against. But first you have to win the Democratic nomination.

[electropop]

55. Boxer-Conyers

Two FEARLESS leaders with real spine. They don't care if they piss off the Republicriminals. They have my support, assuming they don't get "suicided" before 2008.

[erpowers]

57. I like it

I think she should run in 2008.