Rightwing Media Machine attacks Kennedy for his clarion call

[eg101]

The Rightwing propaganda machine is starting to attack Ted Kennedy for his clarion call of January 12, 2004. Five days ago Ted Kennedy tried to redeem his long career of republicrat politics by laying out a clear path for the progressive future of the Democratic party, and by calling for the party to pursue specific progressive goals, such as extending Medicare to all citizens and providing free college to all qualified students.

Of course the rest of the democratic party has left Kennedy hanging in the wind, not bothering to even support him and the goals he has espoused, goals that most other western nations have long achieved.


Here are the rightwing attack urls:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=%5CCommentary%5Carchive%5C200501%5CCOM20050117a.html
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0105/0105kennedyvision.htm
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/jlarson_20050117.html

And of course there are no URLs showing high profile Democrats backing him up or defending him against the rightwingers....oh, wait, which rightwingers are we talking about: the Republican rightwingers, or the Democratic rightwingers....hard to tell them apart....

[aden_nak]

1. Apparently, investing in infrastructure is a bad thing.

Investing in clean power and alternative fuels, investing in broadband technology, just a few of the "socialist" ideas from the third article. In that case, can we all have our "investment" back from the rural electrification project? Or the Tennesee Valley Authority? These schmucks would have people believe that Democrats are rolling in pork and Republicans trim every ounce of fat possible. I wonder what it feels like to be that full of shit.

[EFerrari]

2. The RW Mafia keeps saying he's far, far left.

And I get a mental picture of them huddled in a little knot -- like a typo in the right margin peering at the rest of the page. :)

[BloodBType]

3. He's such an

easy target, though.

[Jo March]

4. What do you mean by that, BloodBType? nt

[Ken Burch]

5. My favorite is the "enterstageright.com" column

Where the guy keeps saying of conservative ideas that "right or wrong"
they are solutions.

Doing the wrong thing to solve a problem is still a solution?

All righty then.

[blondeatlast]

12. Guess the transfusion arrived too late...

:evilgrin:

[mattclearing]

6. If you hate the Democratic Party so much, why are you posting here? n/t

[eg101]

7. because I want to make it into a party that I DON'T hate

Why don't you join me?

[mattclearing]

8. I have been working on this for awhile. It's easier on the inside.

Referring to Ted Kennedy, of all people, as a "republicrat" isn't going to win you many allies.

This goes back to what I said before in your other similar post about not supporting mainstream politicians.

If you call Ted Kennedy a republicrat, then chances are you are going to find that there is no ideological home for you in either major party.

That is Nader language, and Nader has made it clear to the rest of us that he has no interest in working within the two-party system for change.

If Dennis Kucinich, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, or any of the several other moderate Democrats with progressive tendencies aren't progressive enough for your tastes, then chances are that you aren't a Democrat.

Nothing wrong with that, but if you want to change the Party, you have to be a part of it.

Donate, make your voice heard.

But until you are in, you can't expect us to want to change for you.

[eg101]

9. stockholm syndrome? Delusions?

you wrote:

Referring to Ted Kennedy, of all people, as a "republicrat" isn't going to win you many allies.


Some people will either never be my "allies" or will only come to recognize the truth years from now. Real change takes time.



If you call Ted Kennedy a republicrat, then chances are you are going to find that there is no ideological home for you in either major party.

That really shows up the difference between your type and my type. My only ideological home is between my ears. I am not looking for any other ideological home. I am looking for co-workers in ideologically-oriented documentary projects, but I realize that those people are few and far between. A rare happenstance. I am really looking to be a meme propagator, a speader of contagious ideas. Others here have similar goals, but almost all of them operate within the mainstream, and spread establishment-friendly memes as do you. They are controlled by the machine.


That is Nader language, and Nader has made it clear to the rest of us that he has no interest in working within the two-party system for change.



So? Does that somehow imply that he will be ineffective? He has already hurt the party by taking the 2000 election from it. Slowly people will realize his true purpose. ANd that will be an epiphany for most.


If Dennis Kucinich, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, or any of the several other moderate Democrats with progressive tendencies aren't progressive enough for your tastes, then chances are that you aren't a Democrat.


So say you. I say otherwise.



Nothing wrong with that, but if you want to change the Party, you have to be a part of it.



I disagree. One can effect change in almost anything from the outside.


Donate, make your voice heard.


I am making my voice right now. Donate? That's a good one!


But until you are in, you can't expect us to want to change for you.

I am just spreading memes. That's all. If and when change comes to the party, most will never even see the change, as it will be gradual.

[mattclearing]

10. Blah blah blah...

So say you. I say otherwise.

So now you're a Democrat?


And I don't believe Nader "spoiled" the election. Gore won that election fair and square, and you really shouldn't give Nader too much credit.

Nice that you recognize that I am controlled by the machine. That's why I was out marching against the Iraq War, marching against certification of Ohio's electoral votes, and why I'm posting here.

You have made some pretty lame assumptions about me and the Democratic Party, and you might want to re-examine the facts and draw conclusions more in line with reality.

Or maybe it's easier to say "a pox on all your houses" and continue to be too cool to have any effect on anything.

Good luck with that.

[Ken Burch]

11. I have no delusions, and I've never been to Stockholm

(Though Juneau, Alaska in the dead of winter can sometimes be similar)

"Slowly people will realize his true purpose"...

And that purpose is, o oracular one?

[Nimrod]

16. I'm with you

I'm not going to conform myself to fit within any organization either, that's not my job. Personally, I'm sick of the "You're complaining about {insert Democrat politician's name here} stance on {insert stance here}, so you're part of the problem!" It's one step up from calling me a commie pinko faggot.

Oh, and tasteblind...

Donate, make your voice heard.

Screw that blue. Screw that until it screams. If I need to flash cash before my "voice will be heard" then do you REALLY think I'm being represented? Honestly, is that your opinion? If so, then you really HAVE become part of the machine and you ARE part of the problem.

I'm not giving anybody money unless they prove they DESERVE it and will put it toward a cause I consider worthy. And I freaking mean it when I say PROVE. Paying for their deluxe suite of rooms with open bar service doesn't count even if it's while they're attending a civil rights convention or something. I've been hearing people yell "GIVE US MONEY TO KEEP UP THE FIGHT" for my entire life, when anything you give them goes nowhere but in their pockets or onto a luxury hotel tab.

Anyway, nice example of the "same shit, different piles" theory.

EDIT - To avoid confusion, this was largely intended to reply to eg101.

[mattclearing]

19. I'm not saying to donate blindly.

Donate to candidates you believe in, who stand up for you.

There's no sign in the Democratic Party that says "forfeit your mind, ideals, and beliefs at the door."

Sheesh.

[GettysbergII]

20. Two party system could be the problem

I'm a veteran intercity public school teacher in Chicago. My wife and I worked our asses off for the Kerry campaign fundraising and traveling to Wisconsin to pound on doors despite his wimpy position on the NCLB act and his support for the Oil Wars. I can assure you that will never happen again. Any candidates I support in the future whether Democrat or otherwise must take a strong stance on these basic progressive issues as well as having well developed plans for universal healthcare, transparent elections and media reform.

Further though I live in one of the bluest big cities in one of the bluest states, my union has begun referring to Mayor Daley as 'Mayor Bush' because of his Renaissance 2010 plan not only one ups Bush's NCLB in its determine to destroy Chicago's public schools and our teachers union but actually plans to bring the military in to run Senn High School. Nor is our anti labor Governor much of a better deal. Don't kid yourself, its not just a few Naderesque idealists that are dissatified with the spinelessness of top-down DNC. Many, many working people think at the best the Democrats are the lesser of two evils. I'll be happy to support a genuinely progressive Democratic candidate when the DNC runs one but until then I think my time is best spent creating a viable third party.

[Laurab]

13. I have an idea - why not a separate bashing thread

for each and every democrat who doesn't do exactly what we want them to do, or who isn't exactly who we want them to be, or maybe we just don't like the way they look, or, hell,just because we feel like bashing them. It's so very productive...

[eg101]

14. so why name this forum the "Perfect Democratic party" forum?

Since it is the "Perfect Demcratic party"?

[Laurab]

15. No, it's quite imperfect

but I just don't see the point in continually bashing just about every single one of "our own", when the time could be spent more productively by taking action, for example writing to them with your concerns, rather than continually putting them down. People do seem to expect perfection, but I think it's more than a bit unreasonable.

[Redleg]

18. LOL. I agree.

NT

[Redleg]

17. Kennedy is a "republicrat?" Since when?

THis is obviously flame-bait nonsense.

[deadparrot]

21. Uh, there are DINOs in Congress, but Kennedy ain't one of them.

[genius]

22. What republicrat politics. Except for a few bad votes, he's a liberal

He's one of the best Dems in the Senate.