LOEB Meeting: 12/23/09 -- For the Rest of Us! Edition

[Patsy Stone]

Anyone around? :hi:

[SeattleGirl]

1. Hi Patsy! I am!

How are you today?

[Patsy Stone]

2. Damn fine!

It's my Friday! How are you? :toast:

[SeattleGirl]

3. It's my Friday too!

I'm good. Got all my Christmas shopping done, and we're heading to Oregon tomorrow to spend a few days with my family.

:toast:

[Berry Cool]

6. Hi, I am.

:hi: This is a weak wave. I still feel the same, I'm looking forward to Christmas but I want to be well, not feeling like this. And I'm depressed because, well, Obama lied.

Why did he have to lie? Why did he have to roll over and play dead rather than fighting for what he said he'd fight for--and then lie about it?

What DID I vote for?

Not this.

*sigh* I hope no one will draw conclusions from this. I don't know what I'm going to do about it yet. All I know right now is that when it comes to politics, I'm reminded once again now of why I had no political party for so long, and why I didn't trust politicians to do a thing they said.

I changed my tune temporarily in '92 to vote for Bill, because I fell for all the hope crap. I was thoroughly disillusioned by 1996, though, and swore off politics again. It wasn't until 2004 that I became convinced that no, the difference between the parties wasn't Coke and Pepsi and I had to do something to try to get Bush out. That failed, but I didn't give up.

But now, I'm ready to. No matter how many people say NGU.

It seems all we Americans can count on in this world is that Republicans will be the party that will repeatedly bang our heads into the wall, and that Democrats will be the party that will fool us into temporarily feeling so good when it stops. But they won't do anything to stop anyone else from repeatedly banging our heads into the wall.

[Patsy Stone]

11. Have a safe, wonderful trip

and a very Merry Christmas with your family. I'm done too, except for the one pain in the ass gift I'm stuck looking for every year. But I have a little time to avoid my friend before I have to cough one up. :)

[SeattleGirl]

14. Thanks, Patsy.

This turned out to me one of those years where I knew exactly what I wanted to get for everyone, so shopping wasn't too much of a pain in the backside!

[Berry Cool]

45. Pats, I hope you enjoy your KOEB free time however you spend it

and I hope it's not watching the Caught on Tape marathon. :hug: :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

53. Nah, but maybe another viewing of Jersey Shore.

:)

You, too, Berry. :hug: I really hope you kick this crud out of your system soon.

[Berry Cool]

60. Thanks. I can't wait to kick it.

I think my optimism level will boost considerably. Right now I'm at Eeyore level.

[Berry Cool]

34. Have a good trip and a lovely time, SG.

Watch it if you're in those mountains. :hug: :loveya:

[SeattleGirl]

36. Thanks, Berry!

I'll be in the Willamette Valley, so no mountains to deal with!

:hug: :loveya:

[Berry Cool]

49. Home of the fruit! That's good.

Hope it's fantastic for you.

[GigiMommy]

4. Hi Everyone...

I'm in the middle of babysitting my nephew (we already had an incident...he sat on Cassie's viola) and cooking but I want to wish everyone a happy holiday season.:hi: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[SeattleGirl]

5. Hi Gigi!

For you and Cassie, I wish you comfort, healing, and love. :grouphug:

[Berry Cool]

8. I wish the same to you and Cassie.

Hugs, hearts and all the good stuff. :hug: :loveya:

[GigiMommy]

18. Hi Berry!

Thank you so much.

[GigiMommy]

17. Hi SG!

Thank you so much and have a safe trip.

[Patsy Stone]

7. Happy Happy to you too!

Give Cassie a big hug from the KOEB, 'k? Ooooh, that viola story doesn't sound so good. :)

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

15. Hi Patsy!

Yep, got smashed up REAL good. After screams and tears, we drove it to the music store and it will get repaired.

[SharonRB]

12. Same to you, Gigi

I hope being surrounded by loved ones will bring some comfort to you this season.

[GigiMommy]

20. Hi Sharon!

Thanks so much. I think it will.:hi:

[SharonRB]

9. We're so screwn

I don't see how they'll arrive at a bill that can pass both the House and the Senate.

Hi, everyone!

:hi:

[SeattleGirl]

10. Hi Sharon!

:hi:

[SharonRB]

13. Hi, SG!

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

16. We'll see.

I've learned to not get ahead myself worrying about things I can't control. I let the rest of DU do that. :)

:hi: Happy Festivus! GD and GDP are already well into the airing of grievances, but maybe I'll go over there later for the feats of strength.

[SharonRB]

19. I've been trying to stay away

I think this is worse than the primaries. I'm disappointed, but I'm still hoping they're playing "chess, not checkers," as Thom Hartmann says, and that it will all turn out okay in the end. I pray for passage of the bill and then reconciliation for the public option or Medicare buy-in.

[bunny planet]

21. me too Sha-sha

and Happy Festivus to all of you!!

xBP

[Patsy Stone]

22. Look who's here!

:loveya:

[SeattleGirl]

25. Hi bunny!

Good to see you!

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

27. Hi Bunny!

I wish you a happy holiday!:hi: :hug:

[SharonRB]

31. BunBun!

How are you doing?

Merry Festivus to you!

[Berry Cool]

40. Hi Bun-Bun! Happy Happy to you!

[Patsy Stone]

23. I pop into the Barack Obama Group

when I need some fresh air. It's the complete opposite of GD/GDP. Good on Bernie Sanders for the community health center money. Maybe it's a toe in the door to an NHS someday?

[SeattleGirl]

26. I think it might be, and I'm happy that Bernie did that.

He's a good egg!

[Berry Cool]

50. I hope it's a toe in the door to something.

I am a person easily disillusioned by seeing how the sausage is made.

[SeattleGirl]

52. It drives me nuts, too, Berry. Government always has to go

six times around the block and sideways just to try to get from point A to point B, and 3/4 of the time, they miss point B altogether!

[SharonRB]

32. There's a Barack Obama group?

I'll have to find it and add it to my faves.

[Patsy Stone]

37. Yep.

Sometimes it's a little cheerleader-y, but at least people will discuss things without shouting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=388

[SharonRB]

47. I found it and added it to my faves

Now there are two safe places to go to around here.

[Berry Cool]

51. Well, that's a good thing.

You can believe me when I tell you I am as sick of some of the nastiness as anyone else. I will also have no truck with the "We told you so, you all should have gotten on board with Hillary" bunch. Yeah, like that would've made all the difference.

[SeattleGirl]

55. What so many of them fail to understand is that Obama is NOT

a dictator! Some of the same people who caterwauled about Bush behaving like one now want Obama to do the same, because it's for THEIR issues. Call me silly, but I think that people should follow the laws, regardless of party affiliation. I know, I know, I'm being unrealistic, but still, if it was bad for Bush to do, I believe it would be bad for Obama to do too.

[Berry Cool]

61. Oh, I believe entirely in consistency.

I don't think Obama should do anything for us illegally just because Bush did. I just wish he'd be more forceful and move faster. And I'm not asking him for stuff he didn't promise or pledge to support that I just imagined he would. And I have been willing to be patient too. I didn't expect him to fix everything overnight, and I do think he's done some very, very good things.

I would never do the Obama = Bush false equivalence or wish I had voted for the alternative. However, as far as Dems in general go, I have become fed up with their wimpiness and weakness. I am also annoyed that Obama has not seemed to catch on faster that you cannot say to the wolf, "Hey, let's stop fighting with each other, let's try to sit down at the table together" when all the wolf wants to do is eat you. If he doesn't know that by now, I don't know when he is ever going to learn.

Maybe it's time for me to write a damn fool letter.

[SeattleGirl]

39. Here ya go!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=388

:hi:

[SeattleGirl]

24. Did you listen to Thom this morning? He thinks that at the

last minute, a public option and/or medicare-buy in will be back in the bill, but that they are holding it out right now so that the insurance company lobbyists con't have time to get in and much things up again. I sure hope he's right!

As far as GD and GDP, I stay away now, as the Hatriots and Hysterics seem to have taken it over. Instead, I often go to the Barack Obama group. It's much more sane in there. And of course, there is the KOEB!

[SharonRB]

35. I heard him

I hope he's right. That's when he said maybe they're playing chess, not checkers. I sure hope so.

[SeattleGirl]

41. Same here, Sharon. Same here.

I do think that that ad that is running, or is going to run, showing Obama saying that the health care plan has to have a public option, is a good idea. Just a little reminder to him (and to the rest of the Congress Critters).

[Berry Cool]

54. There's an ad? I haven't seen it.

Oh, good...there needs to be something more than just Countdown reiterating it!

Obama needs to be reminded: he did campaign on the public option. He did. If he says he didn't, he's lying. I wanted him to be more than just another guy who would say anything to get elected. I knew that was a lot to ask of anyone, but I wanted it anyway.

He DID say there had to be a public option. And I don't want him to parse the meaning of "public option" the way Bill parsed what "sexual relations" meant or "what 'is' is."

[SeattleGirl]

56. I've only seen it on a news show, where they talked about it,

but it's good, because they play video of Obama saying that a health care plan must have a public option. And he did essentially say, like FDR did, "Make me". So the reminder is good.

[Berry Cool]

43. Can someone please give me some of what Thom Hartmann is smoking then?

It sounds like really good stuff.

Please. I don't want the KOEB to think I am a Hatriot or a Hysteric. I'm just in very low spirits right now. I don't hate anyone (except Joe Lieberman, whom I hate with the heat of a thousand white-hot suns). I'm just not in the mood to wave the Obama pompon now. Sorry.

[Patsy Stone]

57. No need to wave anything

It might be dangerous in your weakened state. :) I don't have much patience for the sausage making either.

[Berry Cool]

38. I guess I couldn't help but Air the Grievances here because it's where I feel safe.

Sorry. And I missed Obama's Feats of Strength. I don't think there were any.

I no longer believe anyone is playing chess. Oh please. They're not even playing tic-tac-toe.

I wish I could believe that reconciliation would get the Medicare buy-in, but even if it does, they'll never lower the age to under 50, which is what I need.

[SeattleGirl]

46. Yeah, I don't have health insurance any more, so I'd like

to see a public option coming out in the bill.

But while it won't help either of us in the immediate future, I think about Social Security, and how it didn't start out looking the way it looks now.

One of the big problems is that a lot of politicians pay far too much attention to THEIR feelings and THEIR ideals, while they ignore we the people.

[Berry Cool]

58. Exactly. They don't.

The only thing that keeps me hoping is the fact that Social Security and Medicaare got better and covered more after they initially were passed.

But I am so damn disappointed in this president and this Congress right now, sad to say. They are acting as if nothing but corporations matters anymore and like they are more than happy to sell the rest of us down the river.

[Berry Cool]

48. Hi, Sha-Sha. Hope you enjoy your KOEB break

and all the best to you. :hug: :loveya:

[ralps]

28. Hi Patsy! Hi Everyone! Here's some Christmas kitties!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Patsy Stone]

29. Meow!

:hi:, ralps!

[SeattleGirl]

30. Awwwwwww! They're so cute, ralps!

:loveya:

[ralps]

42. Hi SeattleGirl!!! Yes they are!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[GigiMommy]

33. Hi Ralps!

Happy holidays to you and I love the kitties.:hi:

[ralps]

44. Hi GigiMommy! & Cassie! Hugs to you all! & I hope you all have a Happy holiday &

Thanks! :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :hug:

[Berry Cool]

59. Hope you have a great holiday too, ralps.

And Crook too! :hug: :loveya:

[RevCheesehead]

62. Ralps - I thought of you when I saw this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9181861

:hi: Meowy Christmas!!!

[RevCheesehead]

63. Hi everyone.

Sorry I missed the show, but I was so tired I had to take a nap.
Now we have snow, sleet, and freezing rain. Isn't that called slush?
I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas and some peaceful time to yourself. :hug:

[CC]

64. Terry is out your way Rev

well in MN now I guess. Said it was already snowing pretty heavy.




Hope everyone has a great couple days (and year) full of love, hugs and peace. Happy Holidays. :hug:

[RevCheesehead]

65. I will pray for his safe travel back home.

Road conditions aren't really great right now.

Merry Christmas, Ferrettessa! :hug: