Hillary: ready to blow up children on day 1

[rodeodance]

(sound the alert on this please)


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary: ready to blow up children on day 1
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4844611#4844611
4844611, Hillary: ready to blow up children on day 1
Posted by dailykoff on Sun Mar-02-08 10:41 AM

U.S. Senate Roll Call Vote on Feinstein amendment to protect civilian lives from unexploded cluster munitions, September 6, 2006:

Clinton (D-NY), Nay

Obama (D-IL), Yea

Link to roll call: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00232

[rodeodance]

1. It got locked just now--thank gawd!!

un Mar-02-08 11:10 AM
Response to Original message
67. Locking.

That is about as inflammatory subject line as could be.

beset,
wakemeupwhenitsover

[libbygurl]

4. Sounds more like right-wing attacks, accusing Hillary of murderous acts - again.

I tell ya, if the Dems haven't gone crazy with this anti-Hillary/pro-Obama madness, the Republican infiltrators are sure succeeding at creating a good replica of it.

This poster is one of the worst offenders in the anti-Hillary camp. I've grown tired of putting 'em all on Ignore - I just purposefully ignore their posts anymore.

Thanks for the heads up, rodeo. Standing up for HRC has been a full-time job on DU anymore, it's exhausting, but I do believe seeing the attacking posts don't cause my blood pressure to shoot up as much as it used to early on!

Still, it's nothing compared to what Hillary herself has had to endure from these nutcases!

[libbygurl]

2. These creatures will really stop at nothing, will they? Shall send my alert. Thanks. nt

[rodeodance]

3. just missed you---but glad you responded. that poster is one

of the more vile ones. and he actually had a few others defending him!!

[libbygurl]

5. Agree - see above. We posted at same time! nt

[rodeodance]

6. We have to hit them continuously --thanks

[DesertRat]

7. DU is out of control

Thankfully that post is now locked.

[zabet]

8. This is an issue that just pisses me off.

Look at the Dems that voted with Hillary ..
Dodd and Biden to name a few. I have fought
this battle on DU several times, even was called
a baby killer myself.

This is a complex issue and without reading the
'Laws of Armed Conflict' or as it is more commonly
referred to, 'Rules of Engagement', people will have
no idea what they are talking about.

This is a nuanced issue with many layers.
This started over the percentage of 'dud rate' munitions
left by a cluster bomb. We were purchasing from a vendor
some that had a dud rate of up to 25%, even though the
real averages were around the 5% rate. There is a senator
whose spouse runs a military defense contracting business,
this senator originally wanted to only purchase cluster
munitions from suppliers who could guarantee a 1% or less
dud rate, which the existing supplier could not guarantee.
When this proposal did not get good reception being talked
around the Hill, then the proposal to ban them completely
was introduced. (kinda like 'if my spouse does not get a
shot at supplying them well, we will just ban them')

Cluster munitons are not dropped at random on civilian
populated areas as a rule. This is a problem as satellite
images and verified intelligence has shown that the Iraqi
forces intentionally stage next to hospitals, schools and
other densely populated civilian areas. The Iraqis are willing
to sacrifice their citizens as shields. If we do not take
out entrenched forces like this and send in foot soldiers,
well, we send in the foot soldiers to get picked off like
fish in a barrel.

Ain't nothing pretty about a war. Ain't nothing pretty
about collateral damage. It is a reality though and if
we are at war, the bottom line is, our soldiers come first.
Any edge we can give them, we need to give them. If it was
all about lack of concern for collateral damage, instead of
shock and awe, we would have just made a glass parking lot
out of Iraq.