So, what's your favorite...?

[bliss_eternal]

...defense tactic/dismissive comment made by the racial, gender, misogyny and oppression apologists at large?

:hi:

(Choices provided are one form or another of comments viewed on this board and around the internet in response to feminist arguments.)

[Katherine Brengle]

1. I voted for "irrational" because it seemed the closest to, "Wow, you obviously hate men and

have serious issues with that."

Which isn't true, but if it were, why would that be surprising or uncalled for?

[bliss_eternal]

2. Oooh--I'm going to change one...

...I think I should change, "Why do you hate America" to "why do you hate men." I see that A LOT. Thanks for the reminder! Sorry I didn't have that one available for you.

[noamnety]

3. I went with PC police.

I've got one stalker-fan here who likes to refer to me that way when I object to racist or sexist slurs. :)

I like that one because it embodies such hypocrisy - "how dare you oppress me by not allowing me to use hate speech?"

[Gormy Cuss]

14. I picked "irrational" because it's a nice way of saying

hormone hysteria. You know how women are always hysterical because of PMS, pregnancy, or menopause.
:sarcasm:

[atommom]

4. I tried, but I just couldn't pick just one.

"Irrational," "emotional," and "PC police" are the ones I see most often, though. Not to mention the ever-popular "why do you hate men?" and "gee, you must really hate sex."

[bliss_eternal]

19. Has anyone ever asked why they hate women...?

:shrug: I believe it's a valid question, considering the comments usually made.

[lizerdbits]

5. I had to go with all of the above

They're all equally trying to defend bigoted statements. Must be followed by 'don't get your panties in a wad!'

[BlueIris]

6. My favorite is when the little fuckers try to tell me that the comment I objected to/alerted on

wasn't actually sexist or misogynist, then link to a one-dimensional definition of sexism or misogyny from wikipedia or dictionary.com to "prove" their "point."

[ThomCat]

8. That always pisses me off, because it's the biggest

pains in the ass, the ones who always criticize any expression of feminism who then insist on defining feminism so that they can tell feminists what feminism is.
x(

[BlueIris]

9. Hey, Thom. How're ya feeling?

[ThomCat]

12. Not so well.

This has been a painful weekend. :(

That's why I'm only popping in. I'm neglecting everything online for a little bit.

I hope you're doing well. :)

[ismnotwasm]

7. The pc police one

Since "not being "PC" has become another way of saying I can be any kind of asshole I want.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. yup.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. "Straw man!" "Broad brush!" "We're not all like that!"

Even if you very carefully prefaced your characterization with an obligatory disclaimer such as "I know it's not all men..." or "Some men..." It's not good enough. A negative observation about a percentage of men, male culture, or patriarchy earns a hissy fit and an accusation that you are making a categorical statement about every man on the planet. I've been accused of strawman/broad brushing when I've related an anecdote about one man, and it was clear I was only talking about one man! That still got me flamed. I guess because I forgot the disclaimer. :eyes: It's like you can't have a discussion about anything without first paying the appropriate homage to any male egos in the midst.

[bliss_eternal]

13. Ever been called a racist...?

...against the hetero white males of the world, of course? ;)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. Not yet but I'm sure it's coming

In the meantime I've been called a Nazi, fascist, fundie, etc. Because the idea that women are people is just too radical for some people to handle. So of course the idea that non-white people are also people is over the top.

[bliss_eternal]

20. "But I'm pro-choice...!"

:eyes: Why they throw us this crumb in the face of other obviously unsupportive stances, is completely beyond me.

[raccoon]

22. You said that right. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

11. Oh yeah, and then there's "But men have problems too! What about the menz?" n/t

[BlueIris]

16. Someone (whom I just remembered to throw on Ignore) once told me to "get off (my) high horse"

for calling him on his sexist stereotypes about me. I've actually been told that a number of times here--that my demand that people treat me with respect even thought I'm female is arrogant and/or "snotty." I guess that's there way of insinuating that feminists want to assert that women are better than men and that we don't want equality for women, we want a fascist Matriarchy now.

Idiots.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

17. Zero sum game thinking

Either they are on top or we are. No middle ground.

[bliss_eternal]

18. I've seen that one, too...

...along with:

"Get off your pedestal."
"No one is as perfect as you." :eyes:
"Well, aren't we self righteous?"

Such comments used to throw me. Now I just see them as a validation about the kinds of people that make them. It's their problem. Their inability to see others as equal and as entitled to rights as anyone. People that feel good about themselves don't see other's rights and opportunities for equality as a threat to themselves. People like this have bought into the lie that there's not enough to go around, that someone HAS to be the low man so they can be on top. :eyes:

Comments about snottiness and high horses say they don't believe in self-esteem for anyone, and that they also lack it.

[wicket]

23. Being told what I should/should not find funny

But that prolly falls in line with "too sensitive" :eyes: