Equal Rights . . .

[mzteris]

Do you support equal rights for all?

Minorities, glbt, disability, etc...?

Do you stand up - vocally - for these rights for all? If you see a feminist who is anti-gay, or who is a racist - do you call her on it?

If you're talking to a vehement supporter or "(insert your choice here) rights", yet they still don't really support women's rights, do you call them on it?

[jmm]

1. I support equal rights but vehement support doesn't include

making the assumption that certain communities still aren't very much in support of specific rights. For example if there is a thread about DADT or DOMA and I make a posts such as now if they can just get behind the opposition to the Arizona bill or the underlying assumption is the GLBT community is still very much not in the equal-rights for minorities camp. If GLAAD has spoken against racial profiling, I've missed it. Have they? that would speak more to my prejudices than those I'm trying to call out.

[bliss_eternal]

6. good post....!

:thumbsup::hi:

[BlueIris]

2. Depends on the situation, but generally yes.

Especially if it's an alleged feminist.

[bliss_eternal]

3. yes.

quote:
Do you support equal rights for all?

Yes! :)

Minorities, glbt, disability, etc...?

Yes!


Do you stand up - vocally - for these rights for all? If you see a feminist who is anti-gay, or who is a racist - do you call her on it?

In real life:
Absolutely! I do and have (called people on it). But it depends on who it is, where it is, the situation, how well I know the person, etc.

On-line:
Oh yeah. I have in the past (primarily here on du), much to the chagrin of a few members of this board(feminism)...but oh fuckin' well. Thankfully, a few of those members got a clue and no longer post here (or were banned--good riddance). :hi:

There are posts of my doing so in women's rights, feminism, glbt, general discussion and the african american forum. There are also groups/forums on du where I no longer post (or read), due to what I see as group intolerance toward other oppressed groups (and a reluctance to recognize and address it).

I get particularly incensed by those that think I rock when I'm defending them and their rights, but suddenly I'm the devil incarnate when I call them on their bigotries(against others). They can kiss my outspoken ass. :evilgrin:

At the same time, I recognize that I presumed (wrongly) that other minority progressives would have a "we're all in this together" kind of mentality. For some, that's their attitude when they're asking you to support them. But that shit goes out the window when it comes to your rights (as a woman, person of color, etc.).

I've learned a lot in the years I've been posting and reading here. I was so idealistic (translation---naive) when I came to DU. :spray: But, lots of lessons learned...now I know. ;) So instead of beating my head against a wall, trying to change others or make people see....I recognize that people have to *want* to change, to do so. So, now I make an effort to not read shit that's going to piss me off. :rofl:


If you're talking to a vehement supporter or "(insert your choice here) rights", yet they still don't really support women's rights, do you call them on it?

It depends. If it's someone who in the past has "talked the talk" in my presence (so to speak) in regard to women and women's issues, I might give it a shot. If it's someone who has made it clear suffers from head in ass disease, I probably won't bother.

:hi:
Interesting questions for discussion--thanks for starting this thread! :thumbsup:

[ismnotwasm]

4. Word up

I despise bigotry in all it's forms. In real life, I tend to be more aggressive than I am on-line. Quite a bit more aggressive actually.


What I find mostly is more people than not, have no idea what a feminist is, or what feminism stands for and use feminism either as a word to demonize women's rights issues or make some sort of non-point by using it. In other words they use it as a convenience.



Those "Pro-life feminists" (puke, puke, puke) is a case in point

[bliss_eternal]

5. very interesting point...

...i frequently read a board, with a lot of women of color members. one day someone started a poll asking how many identified as feminist. i was shocked/stunned to learn how many not only *did not* identify as feminist, but also didn't know how to define it. :eyes:

when asked, most gave some hideous right wing pundit description of what feminism is. lots of comments about being lesbian, not shaving body hair, being single, hating men, hating family and children, etc. :scared::puke: those defining it this way, were more than a little reluctant to align themselves with it. :(

it was then that i recognized how dangerous feminism is to some of the powers that be (i.e. dudes, church, right wing, etc.).

[iris27]

7. Yes. Intersectionality is very important to me.

It's astonishing, when you really look into it, the ways in which different oppressions are related. Working toward equal rights for all is the only sane course.