Where did this notion come from that women rule the world?

[redqueen]

That women have always 'controlled' humanity?

Seriously... WTF?

[ismnotwasm]

1. Horny men

They think the fact they want 'it' and we have 'it' makes US somehow powerful. Dickheads.

[redqueen]

2. *rage*

:mad:

[musette_sf]

3. Right, women have all the power

because they have all the p***y...

:mad: :puke: :crazy: :eyes: :wtf: :banghead: :nuke: :thumbsdown: :argh: :cry:

[seabeyond]

4. it is a snide means of talking down to women. no man seriously believes.... nt

[redqueen]

8. I dunno... they seemed serious...

I'm not the best at detecting sarcasm though, so who knows.

It got worse than just that actually, after that there was the whole 'wife as a mother' thing. :puke:

[seabeyond]

9. why it is important i listen to all men. even men we consider MRA's.

mother has a HUGE influences/effect on sons. huge. mothers are the ones that influence the "worth" of a males sexuality at the ages of 4/5/6. the father is the ones that influences the daughters and has as profound effect on girls sexual self worth. raising sons, i recognize my responsibility in how my boys think of women, think of themselves preceived by women.

so in a way, the men you may have been talking to think back to the time they are little, looking up at the mom, powerless and without control, and the mother all powerful. depending how that power was weilded is going to effect the grown man.

as adults, i have often heard men feel powerless in marriage and feel the woman has all the power. i saw it to an extent with my father. and it is connected to the "mom control". again, i can understand and appreciate a man that talks about this. communication, discussion, insight to emotion, the woman simply kicks ass leaving male truly in unfair disadvantage. i know with my husband, he has an ultra, out of this world, like i have never seen before, controlling mother. one of the immediate things i recognized is he cannot stomach the least amount of controlling behavior or even preceived controlling behavior from me. the upside, .... i believe individual controls their own life, i have no desire for that power, i recognize i cannot do my hubby better than he can do himself and i trust him to do himself. every once in a while he wants me to do a mommy thing and i say NO, no way, not even a little. not gonna do it. i am not the mommy here.

in a mans individual world some men see the woman as all powerful. they cannot see the over all world view of the female world just as so many cannot see the inherent male privilege that exists.

then.... there are many men that use that little quip, knowing they do not have world power, yet say this as the old, true, tired, conditioned quip that is equal to a pat on the head.

[redqueen]

10. parents have a HUGE effect on children, period. men don't get a speical pass

to behave like fucking morons and claim we rule the world when anyone with an ounce of fucking sense can see that's total bullshit.

and the 'wife as mother' thing was about how it's so great that wives can finish raising men if their parents don't do the job (which means mother, really... because fucking duh)

:banghead:

[seabeyond]

11. it isnt a special pass. as a woman, we look at girls behavior, womens behavior and we KNOW

that her relationship with father effects behavior and choices that she makes. we dont tell her she doesnt get a special pass, we emphathize and work on teaching realization that it is conditioned behaviors that allow her to make the choices she does. we understand that childhood effected behavior.

but here, we cannot do the same with males. that makes no sense to me.

it is NOT making excuses for men to behave like fucking morons. you will NEVER see me validate behavior of being a fuckin moron.

ever.

something specific has happened in your situation and you are focusing from that perspective. i dont know what was said, what the discussion was, what the behaviors are. so my answer or opinion cannot be expanded per your situation.

[redqueen]

12. we're not talking about choices... we're talking about making dumbass statements.

when a woman says something idiotic like 'all men are pigs' or whatever... nobody empathizes with her. they all just point out that it's stupid.

if we were talking about behaviors i'd agree with your point. but since we're talking about unbelievably idiotic statements, i disagree.

[seabeyond]

13. then i guess it goes back to my original, that men use it as a means to put women in place

like a nice little pat on the head.

[ismnotwasm]

14. Actually

This is how I think of it, and one reason I'm very careful which men I pay attention to; We are oh! so slowly, winning the fight. It won't be in my lifetime, probably not in my almost born new grandson's lifetime, but it's my belief that patriarchy will end and these carefully defined gender roles will blend, become choices instead of societal imposed expectations. The more or less strict XX and XY's will still exist, there is great attraction there, but those 'others' the ones who for whatever reason aren't comfortable in rigid roles will become free to be who they are, and human beings will learn to enjoy one another without gender hierarchy.

In the meantime, men feel 'threatened', as in what they consider their 'masculinity' because well, we are threatening it. They act out in many ways, passive aggressive a lot of them. If we're getting into Freudian psychology here, remember the need to turn away from that first desire. To do that one has to reject the source of desire or channel it into something acceptable. I kind of believe that one of the roots of patriarchy (I only dig a little bit of Freud, he's irritating-- brilliant--but irritating) is the need not to reject the 'desire' of the mother, but to reject her power. And they've done one damn fine job of that. So, no I don't feel sorry for the boys at all as a whole.

My daughter says we're emasculating our men. I say good; and about time. What's considered masculine is often destructive and causes harm and I won't be sorry to see certain things go---War, for instance. Genocide. Hell, fucking Wall Street-- partly because of the pressure of expectations and partly because it's so hard to tell the artificial from the real.

(And no, this is not about courtesies-- opening doors for a 'lady' or merely a package laden gentlemen or any of that shit. I love courtesy. It's not about being physically attracted to males, I love them too. It's getting rid of the gender chaff so others are free just to be themselves)

[lightningandsnow]

5. From assholes.

[ismnotwasm]

6. Good to see you!

It's been a while

[lightningandsnow]

7. Yeah, I disappeared, but now I'm back!

Good to see you too!

[BlueIris]

15. From people who want to claim women are "asking too much"

lately, what with wanting EQUALITY IN EMPLOYMENT, PAY EQUITY, REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE AND SAFE RELATIONSHIPS and all. Promoting the idea that women already have equality and are in fact, "taking over" or "already in charge" allows those spewing that lie to portray our demands as unnecessary and irrelevant.

[bliss_eternal]

16. nicely said.

:thumbsup:

[BlancheSplanchnik]

17. I agree with you and seabeyond post 9...

well said, both of you.

[femrap]

18. I always thought it had to do

with the fact that wealthy women outlive their husbands. Therefore, most of the wealth in the world is controlled by women....a very few women.

But I'm old. Who knows :wtf: dudes mean by it today?

[ThomCat]

19. The arrogance of power. and very poor logic.

"If women didn't rule the world, then men would.
I don't, and I'm a man.
Therefore men don't.
So women do."

"Besides, if men rules the world then I'd get what I want from women, and I can't ever get a woman to talk to me, or sleep with me, so woman must be in charge, damn it! That's why they're all talking about men behind our backs and agreeing to make our lives difficult!"

:eyes:

It is one of the benefits of male privilege that they all get to be ignorant of all the benefits of male privilege, and even get to be ignorant that they even have male privilege. We all get to benefit from being men, whether or not we know it, whether or not we acknowledge it, whether or not we understand the inequalities behind it.

[seabeyond]

20. gosh, i want to hug you, whenever reading one of your posts

good seeing you again.

[ThomCat]

21. Hi Seabeyond!

:hug:

It's good seeing you again too. :)

I'm not around a lot. Losing a lot of weight and dealing with a lot of medical difficulties again. But I'm still here when I can be.

Thanks to CaliforniaPeggy, I still have a star, so I can still come into the sub-forums. So check here every time I login. :)

[seabeyond]

22. well... good for you. take care of you. and

i hope the loss of weight helps with the health issues.

i am tellin ya. i have gotten away from exercise last couple years, as i age.... bad, bad. gotta get back on it. i hear ya

take care

and yea

peggy