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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:36 AM
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Anyone hear about this? Was Greg Haidl sentenced today...?
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 03:05 AM by bliss_eternal
...regarding the Greg Haidl case in Orange County, CA. Apparently he was found guilty today and sentenced, at least that is what I heard from the local evening news, but now can't find a damn thing on it on-line. :eyes:

Here's what I could find...

http://cbs2.com/localbriefs

Apparently the little bastard was sentenced to six years, if I heard correctly (I was distracted during the report). Not nearly enough for what he did, but more than I expected. He's the son of a wealthy Orange Couty sheriff who it seems helped to get his son out on prohbation. What happened? The son, Greg out on prohbation committed another crime.

Anyway, I hope I heard right and he and the others that raped that poor girl got jail time.

I'm posting it here instead of GD because I'm not in the mood for the usual rape apologist bullshit.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 08:07 PM
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1. He was sentenced--
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 08:41 PM by bliss_eternal
But it wasn't enough. The bastards deserve longer sentences. If I had my way, I'd incarcerate the father and those that enabled him to protect his guilty son.

I found this today:

March 10, 2006
Haidl Gangmembers Gets Six Year Sentences Each
By: So Cal Lawyer at 4:39 pm
The son of a former Orange County assistant sheriff and two of his friends have each been sentenced to six years in prison for the videotaped sexual assault of an unconscious teenage girl.

-------------snip----------------------
Taken from Southern California Law Blog (link below)

http://sclblog.com/index.php?s=Gregory+Haidl


Apparently in Orange County, CA having proof of rape on video tape featuring an obviously comatose 16 year old girl means nothing. When one of the rapists is the son of a man worth 40 million dollars, it equates to delays, prohbation so you can go out and commit more crimes, and plenty of people on the payroll to make life a living hell for the victim. Below I have provided a few disturbing excerpts from the article which speaks to how the victim was treated by the families of the rapists. Additionally, some of the treatment of a jurist that served in the second trial (the first one was dead-locked...):eyes:


Excerpt from Orange County Weekly article on trial and sentencing:

Lost in the buildup to the sentencing hearing is Jane Doe, the name prosecutors gave the victim, who was 16 years old at the time of the crime. She was thrust suddenly into the bright lights of the national media, as well as the intrigue of bitter defendants and some cops who openly sympathized with the Haidls. For example, Sheriff Mike Carona used his second in command in a bold-faced but ultimately vain attempt to influence the Newport Beach police investigation. Seeking dirt on the victim, Greg’s mother, Gail, hired people to post fliers in Doe’s neighborhood. Later, the defense hired a professional publicist and several teams of private detectives to attack her and her family. She was tracked like a dog and subject to countless smears. She found temporary relief in methamphetamines, a drug she says she’s been working hard to overcome in recent months.

It’s hardly surprising her life spiraled out of control. One Haidl dick—John Warren, a former ranking FBI agent in Santa Ana—disclosed Doe’s identity to students at the high school she had transferred to. Most of her friends abandoned her, shamelessly siding with Haidl, the son of a man reportedly worth more than $40 million. The defense illegally leaked her private medical records to the media, a move that Los Angeles Times columnist Dana Parsons rewarded by downplaying the crime and belittling District Attorney Tony Rackauckas for filing felony charges. On the witness stand, Doe was called “a slut” and “a liar” by lead defense lawyer Joe Cavallo. She was forced to stare at enlarged pictures of her own vagina during torturous cross examinations. The defendants floated the idea that she had raped them. In front of the jury, defense lawyer Peter Morreale asked her if she liked to swallow after oral sex. At another point, defense lawyers argued that she faked unconsciousness to shoot a necrophilia-based sex video. They claimed she wanted to launch a porn career and the defendants were merely obliging her wishes.

“Faking?” asked jury foreman Ruiz. “No way. You can see on the video that she was only conscious for the first couple of minutes. After that, they were propping her up. Whatever they gave her knocked her out in my opinion. Even before they let go of her and her head hit the couch, it was obvious the line had been crossed. She did not put herself in those positions on the pool table.”
------------------------------snip-----------------------------------------

Although there were heated moments during jury deliberations, Ruiz is proud his panel of “honest, decent people” could render a verdict after a deadlock in the first trial. “Man, I don’t know what those people were seeing,” he said of jurors in the first trial. “The tape proved they were guilty. If you show that video on the news, everybody’s view would be that these guys should hang. People would go crazy. You know what I mean? It was primal. It looked like savages having their way with a piece of meat.”

---------------------snip-------------------------------------
Married and a fourth-generation Mexican-American from El Toro, Ruiz can look physically intimidating. If you passed him on the street, you’d see a husky guy with a shaved head, a goatee, big dark eyes and a right arm full of tattoos. But in a three-hour interview, he was also articulate, perceptive and easygoing.

But the case provided startling moments for Ruiz even outside the courtroom. During the latter part of the trial, he says, he was clumsily tailed by Haidl PI Warren to the Costa Mesa Inca Grill for dinner. One night, after the trial, two jurors from the first trial knocked on his front door. They wanted information to discredit the guilty verdicts. He says those ex-jurors, who were on the Haidl payroll, insisted the defendants are “really good boys.”

Ruiz has a different view. He sees Spann as the guy “who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but he didn’t stop what was happening.” He remembers Nachreiner as a seemingly temperamental fellow who repeatedly yelled “nigger” during the rape and the irony that he sat at the defense table next to Spann, who is part African-American. He says baby-faced Haidl was transparently coached to look naive and innocent, often posing with his head bowed and hands folded in something like prayer.

“If I had one word for the defense tactics, it would be ‘overkill,’” he said.

---------------------------snip------------------------------------------------------------------------

The above excerpts were taken from:
http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/people-would-go-crazy/24642/

For information on the case, the delays and problems ineherent to trying guilty, wealthy brats in suburbia here's an archive of various articles on the case:

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/investigations/

I followed this case on the local news and it always made me sick. As I dug for more information, I found the case was even more disturbing than msm let on.

My heart goes out to the young woman (who is now 20). Last night, the news showed part of the sentencing and featured part of the victim/survivor addressing the judge, court and her assailants. Her voice was breaking and she was obviously in tears.

:mad::cry::grr:

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:04 PM
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2. You know, not much turns my stomach
It's usually a figure of speech when I say "that makes me sick" or I use the puke smiley.
But I am truly nauseated right now.

So what drives "Good boys" to that kind of behavior? Having the passed out female drugs and alcohol combination? I don't think so.

I think it's ever so much more than that. Kids, male and female get drunk and stoned together all the time. A lot of the time, they have fun (up until the time they become total idiots) One of my daughters used to attend raves (good times for Mom--not)We talked about a lot of her experiences. Taking advantage of drunk or drugged passed out females happens often and to me rape is rape is rape(some are certaintly more violent that others)--But
-- There is something about the cold-bloodedness of these actions that can't be explained away by any combination of the drugs and alcohol or even rape culture,-- even though I'm sure that contributed.

These are very, very sick young men that need to be put away. I would say they need help, but I don't know if that kind of help is available. If there was how to be a sexual sociopath/serial killer for beginners, this would be class 101.

Other than what that young women had to go through, what disturbs me the most is that anyone would try to defend these actions. Try to blame the girl. Allow those boys to think what they did was ok. That they deserved defending in that manner. Now THAT's part of rape culture Grown men. Jesus. I really am sick.
And not suprised, of course. Not at all. The saddest thing for me is that I'm suprised they got any kind of sentence at all. Because what that tells me, is what the girl had to go through---was really, really bad. Even the bit the article talks about is henious. But I'm thinking way worse.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:45 PM
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3. I hate to say it
but you're right. I only hate to say that because it's such a pathetic statement on this entire situation--that it was much, much worse than any article could ever convey.

Just a look at these headlines (without even clicking on the individual articles), shows how bad it was.

http://www.ocweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content2&task=more_by_keyword&keyword=haidl_archive&list_title=Haidl+Gang+Rape+Archive&Itemid=116&item_offset=3

The wealthy father has not "protected his son." He has aided in the creation of a monster, a ticking time bomb that will self-destruct in time--if he isn't destroyed first by someone else. Which I believe is a reasonable possibility all things considered.

Greg Haidl was of course released on bail. In time, he was taken back to jail because he constantly broke the terms of his parole. One such instance made the local news, he was caught (I think) with another young girl, partying. :eyes: I'm trying to find the details--if I can, I'll post them.

Says a lot that the bastard couldn't even stay out of trouble while out on expensive bail...

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:54 PM
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4. While out on bail...
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 10:24 PM by bliss_eternal
When deputies found a bag of marijuana beside Haidl’s wallet and keys during a San Clemente bust, Haidl—then free on bail set following the alleged videotape rape—turned to his friends and said, "Dudes, it can’t be my dope!" A friend took responsibility.

• When deputies suspected Haidl and friends of trespassing and vandalism at an abandoned Laguna Niguel business, Haidl claimed he was innocently on his way to a college class.

• When police found a shirtless Haidl hiding in the bushes outside a San Clemente home and arrested him for the statutory rape of a second minor, Haidl claimed he had no way of knowing the girl was underaged and charged that officials were preventing him having a "normal dating life."

(The above incident was mentioned in the news when he was out on bail--statutory rape, hmmmm. I seem to see a pattern here with the young Mr. Haidl :eyes:)


• When Haidl crashed his car into oncoming traffic in Santa Ana, he didn’t tell police he’d been drinking alcohol and was high on illegal drugs or that he was on the way to see his drug dealer; he blamed "spicy Indian food" for his apparent intoxication.

After bail violation:

• When Superior Court Judge Francisco Briseño grew tired of Haidl ignoring bail rules and prepared to toss the defendant in jail until his two upcoming rape trials, Haidl blamed prosecutors and the media for making him suicidal, a condition he unsuccessfully argued should prevent his lockup.

• When an incarcerated Haidl threw a tantrum in his mental-health-ward cell at the Orange County Jail and forced deputies to calm him with a Taser gun shot, Haidl blamed the incident on deputies who refused to comply with his demands.

Taken from the OC Weekly article entitled Man of the Year. It's actually an interesting read, in that it merely names occurences in this kid's life since the rape charge, his response, his father's response and some of the repurcussions....

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/man-of-the-year/19292/

Regarding his crash in Santa Ana:

November 3, 2004

By LAPD Det. Sgt. James S. Ellis (retired)

Gregory Haidl is a poster child for why MADD has been pushing to get lower blood alcohol levels for underage (21) drinkers. Last weekend, the 19 year old son of former OC Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl, had his fourth brush with the law. (http://www.twistedbadge.com/theoc_1.htm)
At 10:30 p.m. last Saturday night, he reportedly drove a brand new red sports car over the center divider and caused a head on collision in Santa Ana. Fortunately, there were no serious injuries, but when a Santa Ana police officer smelled an odor of alcohol on the teenager, the police had all the probable cause they needed to take him to the station and blow into a GCI breath analysis machine. For some reason, that didn’t happen. Responding officers decided to rely upon a less accurate PAS hand held machine which indicated that he had a level of .02% alcohol in his system. That’s much less than the limit of .08% for an adult, but much more than zero. The police took Haidl’s license away and gave him a paper one, but they didn’t arrest him. Haidl, who is out on $100,000. bail awaiting trial for allegedly gang raping a young girl, was under court order to drink no alcohol. Santa Ana P.D. claims they didn’t know about these bail restrictions, which have been on every TV news channel and page one of every paper. Hmmmmm. It looks to me like young Mr. Haidl,, who is a trouble magnet with money, may have been given special treatment.more

Taken from:
www.twistedbadge.com
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 08:11 PM
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12. What a sick, sick world we live in... n/t
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:36 PM
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5. Some background on the father--
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 10:42 PM by bliss_eternal
In seeking an article about Greg Haidl's parole violation(s), I found the website, twistedbadge.com. It's maintained by a former police officer that seems concerned about the level of corruption within the Orange County system.

Very interesting website...

It's nice to see someone that was part of the system speak against it when it doesn't work to protect and serve...

Excerpt:

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY

Don Haidl is all about money. When George Jaramillo introduced him to candidate Mike Carona, Haidl stepped up and delivered. Checks flowed in and Carona’s campaign had more than enough to win the election. After he was sworn in as the Assistant Sheriff in charge of the Reserve Officer program, Haidl wasted little time implementing a business plan for raising campaign funds. By expanding the reserve force to 1000 members, Sheriff Carona could count on at least $1,000. from each reserve officer at campaign time and probably a lot more from their friends and families. That’s more than a million dollars! What Haidl didn’t consider was that giving guns and badges to 1000 people with limited training could also be a recipe for disaster. Fortunately for the Sheriff, Haidl’s plan fizzled and he recently resigned to spend more time with his son, Gregory, who is facing trial on two separate criminal charges of allegedly gang-raping one female minor and having unlawful sexual intercourse with another.

GET OUT JAIL FREE

Millionaires sometimes go out of their way to make sure their kids are well grounded, but apparently, Don Haidl did not. As a young teenager, Gregory Haidl was the son of a divorced father with a lot of money who moved to Orange County and got a big badge. The lure of “The OC” was not lost on young Gregory and with a rich and powerful father, the sky was the limit. Sex, drugs, rock and roll became Gregory Haidl’s lifestyle and there were no limits. When he and two friends had sex with a 16 year old girl at Don Haidl’s home in Orange County, Gregory felt so bullet proof that he videotaped the sex and bragged about it later. If Gregory Haidl had felt even a little worried that he had gone too far, he and his friends would not be facing prison time. But he wasn’t worried. He was proud of the tape until he realized that it was evidence of an outrageous series of criminal acts, but then it was too late.

True to form, Don Haidl has dealt with his son’s problems by throwing money at them and so far, nothing has worked. Lawyers, doctors, private investigators and reward offers have done nothing but make things worse. Don Haidl feels that DA Tony Rackauckas is going after his son to get much needed publicity as a tough on crime prosecutor. Haidl feels that Rackauckas should be his friend because he gave money to his campaign too. Apparently, Don Haidl didn’t explain to his son that he was trying to earn the respect of law enforcement and seeking favors was not a good thing.

--------------------------------snip------------------------------------------------------

Taken from:

http://www.twistedbadge.com/theoc_6.htm
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 05:41 PM
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7. I read all the articles.
And I'm still stitting here wondering if he had that classic triad--bedwetting, fire-starting and torture of small creatures/animals that is found in many serial killers childhoods. And judging the behavior of the father, I'll just say odd parenting, as opposed to the actual child abuse that's often-but not always, seen.

He may have some sort of mental condition, but what I'm picking up is sociopathic personality disorder--A little Ted Bundy. I'm no expert of course.

And the constant "poor little rich kid" sympathy they're trying to build for him is very, very strange. A prudent father who saw that tape would recognize that he has a HUGE problem in his son, and defending the indefensible is going to hurt him far more than help him. I still think he may be beyond help. The complicity of the courts and defense lawyers still makes me ill. I suppose I should be grateful for the conviction. But I'm more than angry about the way the trial was handled.

You know reading this, I realized that two of my daughters live in Orange county. One just moved there. And this little maniac is going to be out on the streets someday with a lot of money, and unsupervised. Scary.

But I spend too much time typing about this kid. He probably is thriving on infamy.
I wish there was a way to reach out to his victim, to wish her well, to let her know she can make it through this, that others have gone through similar experiences, that she was not at fault, that I'm sorry she had to go through what she had to go through. That I admire her for sticking it out. I can only imagine what it must have been like. It hurts to imagine what it must have been like.
Her privacy needs to be protected I know. But I do wish her health and healing and will keep her in my thoughts.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:13 PM
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10. My thoughts turned to the victim, too...
I really want to reach out to her. I know that I can't...but I'm thinking of her, and wish that I could. What she and her family have endured is inexcusable.

I hope that she is well, and knows that this nightmare was not her fault.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 11:46 AM
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14. "Sending Emails of Support to OC Rape Survivor"
From Hugo's blog:

One topic that's been well-discussed in the feminist blogosphere case has been the Orange County Gang Rape case. Sheelzebub has done a very good job of providing coverage, and recently posted the statement to the judge written by Jane Doe, the then 16 year-old victim in this horrific case.
Though the three rapists have been sentenced to six years each, Jane Doe is proceeding with a civil case. She was repeatedly harassed by defense investigators and the families of the accused; she has lived a long and horrible nightmare. One of my regular readers, Catty, has a connection with Jane Doe's civil suit attorney. She would like to collect letters of support for Jane Doe via email; these will then be passed on to her attorney and then, presumably, to Jane Doe herself. Catty is also looking for folks who live in the OC area who are willing to show up during the civil trial to offer support for this very brave and very young survivor. Contact her at the email address below.

The letters will be screened, and obviously only supportive letters will be passed on. Please email them to Catty at her email address: ihiroe@yahoo.com.

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/17/sending-emails-of-support-to-oc-rape-survivor/

http://hugoboy.typepad.com/hugo_schwyzer/2006/03/showing_your_su.html
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 06:57 PM
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15. That absoulutely rocks
I'm going to sit back, compose myself, and write a letter as supportive as I can think of for this young women. I have two daughter's now in Orange county I will contact them (One had just moved, on is settled in)

With all the press about the rapist, it's so easy to forget there is a young women who has suffered horribly.

Thanks so very much for the heads ups!
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:52 AM
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6. You know, wishing for prison rape goes against everything I
believe in. I hope that baby-faced Greggy isn't dealt the same cards he gave the sixteen year old girl, but I wouldn't shed any tears over it if it happened. Does that make me a bad person?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 09:16 PM
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9. He's much more likely to become a prison rapist
He's a conscienceless predator. He would be disarmed in a rational society.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 05:54 PM
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8. Reading these articles, I guess I really understand why women don't
report rape. There's no way to win - even if you get a conviction, your life is turned upside down and destroyed. If you don't get a conviction, you've got the trauma of the rape as well as the trauma of talking to police officers and lawyers and detectives who treat you like a piece of meat.

This requires more than a law change - it requires a cultural change. And I just can't see how to do that without rooting out all of the sexism and brutality in this culture. And I have no idea how to do that at all.



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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:18 PM
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11. You bring up a good point--which makes me wonder
if in this case the victim reported it.

I recall in reading the articles that the crime came to notice because Greg Haidl was bragging and showing the tape to friends. Someone reported him based on that. So I don't get the sense this girl even reported him--yet her life was turned upside down regardless.

Then they put HER on trial, for something she probably didn't even recall happened to her--yet HE videotaped and had viewing parties for...

:puke:

Someone could offer me a house, fully paid for and it would not make me want to live in Orange County.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:25 PM
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13. But didn't you know
that WE are the sexist ones? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:



"I think this whole visceral response to rape is nothing but unconscious sexism." patcox2 - March 14, 2006


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