I decided this post I did on the Nifong thread deserves its own

[mrreowwr_kittty]

Holy Fuck, GD is a cesspool

The defenders of the honor of white fratboys everywhere are out in full force. On a thread about another rape case (the nice one in CA with the 17 year old victim being rescued by 2 female athletes as she was being raped while vomiting on herself*) they are bringing up the Duke case. And then there are more threads (some with videos even!) about what a glorious day for justice we have upon us because some assholes got the charges dropped and an attorney with an impressive career is getting disbarred. Yes, truly a watershed moment. Ranks right up there with Miranda.

According to some of our DU commentariat: Rape is bad but women lie about it sometimes so one must always take stories about vomiting unconscious 17 year olds being sexually assaulted with a grain of salt. Plus, Nifong is personally responsible for every rapist who gets away with it now, and for the rest of time. In perpetuity. Because as we all know, rapes were vigorously prosecuted prior to the Duke case and victims were always credible, no matter what their occupation or socio-economic status was. Until Nifong and that Black stripper CHANGED EVERYTHING!!


And there is one poster who is just working working herself into a lather over defending the Duke boys. I'm dying to ask her if one of them is her son because she is just livid about it, but I'd probably get tombstoned for that. I mean, shit, that would be SO MUCH worse than, oh I don't know, popping into the Feminists Group to call women skanks and whores, right?

*UPDATE!* I have been informed by one of the fratboy defenders that the vomit found on the young woman does not appear to belong to her. Which is supposed to change everything, for some reason. Guess the DA in that case is justified in not pressing charges. Obviously, what we have here is the simple matter of consensual sex between a young lady with a being-vomited-on-while-unconscious fetish and several of her close male friends. Nothing to see here. Move along.

:grr:

[ismnotwasm]

1. I can barely tolerate it

I'm off and on these days

The thinking, as far as I can figure, goes something like this;
1) The Duke men are innocent, and have been proved innocent (Bullshit)

2) The prosecutor is a some sort of scam artist (Whatever)

3) The stripper in question, on repeated threads, is a scank AND a ho and a... (Gotta love those frat boy terms--jesus)

4) The Duke frat boys are not sexually deviant in anyway, and have a GOD GIVEN right to enjoy the sexual purchase of a woman, as well talk about how fucked up she is/was in all ways. (They're almost pissing their pants Defending the Right to Woman Purchase)

5) There is no such thing as white privilege and those who thinks so stop saying that or (this makes me laugh, honestly) THEY WILL BE IGNORED (Um--Ok) AND in addition: THIS SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM (These posters don't put it quite like that, but that's basically what they're saying. The profound ignorance here is very sad)

5) Even though sexual purchase is a GOD GIVEN right, or a CIVIL right for the agnosticly inclined (or something) AND NOT WRONG IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, the stripper in question is still a skank and a ho, obviously after money from a lawsuit. Whatever happened was her fault. (This is the break point where all pretense at logic goes out the window, because if push comes to shove All strippers or other sex workers will be classed as such)

6) And in there somewhere has to be WomenlieAboutRape, ManyMenAreFalselyImprisonedOnRapeCharges, MenGetRapedToo, MenGetBeatToo, "I" (male poster of choice)AmNotARapistILoveWomenButIDefendMyRightToFemaleSexualPurchase, ad nauseum.

Then-- again profoundly sad-- are the women blindly defending the Fratboys, and falling right into Compliant Womanhood, defend those who rabidly defend the Fratboys.

Ignored completely is the question of sexual purchase, except to defend it. Blind and thoughtless, the arguements--with whatever validity they started with rapidly loss anything because at the bottom, the very bottom, is the fear that rock will be underturned. There seems to be very little real experience with the sex industry, other than purchasing.

Pretty fucked up

[noamnety]

2. no kidding at the pretense of logic going out the window

It went out the window, climbed down the fire escape, and hopped a freight train cross country.

Leftyboy logic:

There's nothing wrong with buying women
Anyone who thinks it's wrong is a fundamentalist
It's empowering for women
Women who are sex workers are scum
If the media catches a glimpse of a woman's genitals she is scum

And yes, the understanding of the justice system is making me want to bang my head against the wall. Leftyboy Lament: Why oh why do men have to be so unfairly persecuted by this cursed system where 2% of rapists actually have to spend time behind bars?

[bliss_eternal]

3. I was pm'd two months ago by a couple of DU'ers

that recalled when I posted this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=231988

They asked if I could re-post it, or perhaps create a new one especially for the Duke situation, as a response to all the people demanding apologies and guilt for the precious Duke boys whose lives were to be perpetually ruined by our suspicions. :eyes:

At the time, I was at a loss of what to say. I was honestly taken aback by the fact that so many just went on and on and on about it. Like they had personal stock in the Duke situation and "those boys."

Excuse me, but did "Their guys" NOT walk away from the whole thing, unscathed? What the fuck do they want? I didn't understand two months ago, and I don't understand the blood lust now.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

6. I totally remember that thread!

Very well done that was, Bliss. It was as if on cue how the outraged and indignant replies came in. Talk about not getting it! "How DARE you judge me by my gender, the color of my skin, my sexual orientation! How DARE you make assumptions about my character!" I really got a kick out of when they'd describe instances in their life when they felt they'd been discriminated against as Straight White Guys. *sniff* Canadians called me a DUMB AMERICAN one time! *sob* Yeah, dude, that's SO comparable to what women, gays, and people of color have been through.

Then, of course, they'd rattle off all their progressive bona fides, how many gay and Black friends they have. But I'm sure they always speak up whenever someone makes a racist or sexist joke in their presence, right? I'm sure they write letters to TV networks to criticize vulgar and demeaning advertising. right? Of course they've stopped watching Bill Maher because he denigrates women, right?

It's great that some white males do get it, they understand that they derive certain privileges from who they are even if they aren't in the small, powerful elite group. The rest are still oblivious, even the lefty ones as is clear from that thread. And that's what allows the cigar chomping, country club set to easily manipulate them into believing that it's women, Blacks, gays, and Political Correctness* that threaten them. I always say that the base of the GOP is neither the Christian Right nor the capitalists. It's insecure white men. Just look at the numbers and you can see that.


*Oh god, how I have grown to loathe that phrase! I call it the Bigot's Immunity Blanket. As in: "I know it not PC to say this but...(insert offensive comment about a particular group of people)...."

[bliss_eternal]

9. I think I said at some point.

;) in the thread that I considered it an art project. LOL! I really didn't intend for it to be flame-bait. I also tried to stay out of it as far as responding to people that demanded an "explanation" or for me to defend myself.

I was more interested in the response it received, than any discussions people wanted to have with me about it.

I found it really interesting how quickly the Bigot's Immunity Blanket Brigade (love this phrase you've coined, btw :thumbsup:)--showed up to tell me what a sick bigot I was. You should have seen the stuff that was deleted. :scared: Scary and funny.

I thought it was cool the mods left it open as long as they did. I guess to a degree maybe they saw what we did in terms of the hypocrisy of the responses(a little turnabout is fairplay possibly). They seemed reluctant to shut it down, but people were getting downright pissy about it and turned it into quite the little flame-fest. :shrug: Oh well.

I appreciate your compliments on it, cb--Thank you! :hi:

[BlueIris]

4. I must have most of the posters filling the cesspit on Ignore because

I haven't seen any of these threads.

They look beyond horrifying.

I feel kinda bad for the new moderators. They must be a little in over their heads if the kinds of misogyny being mentioned here is staying up.

[ThomCat]

5. The rape defenders don't care how obvious or blatant

a situation is. They think nobody should ever be accused or convicted of rape. I swear they think that "rape is just sex, so what's the big deal."
x(

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. And giving her alcohol until she goes unconscious

Is a perfectly appropriate persuasion tool, on a date or at a party.

[ThomCat]

8. Yes, the alcohol paradox.

1. It's perfectly acceptable to feed a woman drinks in order to make her vulnerable so you can rape her.
2. She chose to get drunk so she's responsible for anything that happened to her while she was drunk.
:grr:

[bliss_eternal]

10. Apparently, we haven't bowed or scraped enough...

...to appease the gender inequality gods.

Perhaps if we verbally flogged ourselves more in their presence, they would be happy. ;)

You know, I've actually tried that. Seriously.
In the midst of a thread, where I was arguing with someone, I just switched gears. I started to agree with everything he said (but in a snarky sarcastic way that totally went over his head apparently). Anyway, dontcha' know--he just continued to argue.......with nothing. :crazy: It was THE MOST insane thing I've ever encountered. He just went on, arguing and telling me how stupid I was. ...and I agreed with him (still snarky)--but he didn't get it. :eyes:

That proved it for me. For most of the people that go on ad nauseum about these issues, they are trying to work through something else. They just NEED to argue...to be right. Even if it's just in their own minds. :shrug:

They are either:

1. Rapists (accused or not, but been close enough to the fire to know and they dislike being called on it).

2. Rapist enablers (parent of, friend of, relative of, etc.)Who choose to be in denial about it.

3. Taught their entire lives that women are bad, evil, seductresses only after taking men down, etc.

4. Women that were assaulted at some point, but told by others that it was her fault--women are resposible for men's bad behavior, etc. (So somehow she's bought into the lies--denial, etc.).

5. Brain dead.

;)

[ThomCat]

11. Sadly, I have to agree.

I am of the opinion that a couple of people here at DU probably are date-rapists.

I'm sure I'm generously underestimating the number. Only a few people have been totally blatant.

:grr: