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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:47 AM Original message |
The US Automakers want a bailout - here's the conditions: |
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MikeNearMcChord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. American made parts only |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Ok you could have suggested that without being hostile |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I think the "sorry white a$$es" refers to the bosses' a$$es, not the workers |
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ellenfl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. i think that 'hostility' was directed at the greedy higher-ups. |
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MikeNearMcChord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Yeah I meant the CEO's... Mea Culpa. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. no problem |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. Except that the CEO of Ford - Bill Ford - wanted to go eco-friendly. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
7. That would be a dramatic change from how the financial bailout has gone. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
8. I don't think we need to increase CAFE |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Wha? Before last year efficiency standards hadn't been increased since 1988 |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Standards have gone up but so has oil consumption |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The standards rose in the first ten years after CAFE was implemented |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Actually, a lot of people said CAFE.... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Of the ways to target discretionary driving |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. A tax deduction for low income people would good |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Your gas tax plan doesn't make any sense. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Well, maybe if Bush is president and doesn't regulated the oil industry |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. The automakers shouldn't agree to any increase in CAFE... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. What regulatory hurdles might those be? |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. Emissions and to a lesser degree, crash testing. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
9. Let the Silicon Valley guys have a crack at it |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Exactly. When you bail out Detroit, you bankrupt the real innovators |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. Ummm, who's stopping them? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. The biggest hurdle is NHTSA crash testing |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Why not just lower safety standards to allow Silicon Valley into the game? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I doubt shareholders would approve it, for one |
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obiwan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
47. And let them build cars using the same build logic as computers and software? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Yes |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
10. Before any of these things can work, you have to figure out how "Green Technology" jobs won't be |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Just write it into the law. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
11. Awww, That's So Cute How You Think It's Up To You To Propose Conditions. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. And I hope these are some of the guidelines |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Because So Many People Here Think What They Say Matters. It Doesn't. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I could have probably coached a better game than Andy Reid did for the Eagles too |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. Well hell, we might as well shut down DU right now then. |
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ellenfl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
12. totally agree . . . |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
13. That's Not A Bailout, That's An Investment |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
25. Also, before any financial assistance is forthcoming, the extent of the |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
26. Given the track record of both Congress and the President, we're not going to get that |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Given the track record of both Congress and the President, that's exactly what we'll get. n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
29. These threads read as if written by someone entirely ignorant of current events. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. I have |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Link??? nt |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. DU has a search button - you want to find it help yourself |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I don't have access to search. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. And I'll take your reply as a tacit admission that you're being as ass |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. LOL. "Everything looks bad when you remember it!" |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
42. Toyota and Nissan build some behemoths, too. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I know but their reputation was already solid |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
46. Oh it's all the union auto worker's fault... |
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