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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 11:51 AM Original message |
NO ONE is making $70 an hour building cars. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. But those fucking executives are making far greater than that |
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Bentcorner (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. That's not what has been said |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. I thought they arrived at the $70/hr. figure with healthcare, etc. factored in.???? nt |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. here is the truth.. union workers have taken up to 1/2 wage cuts, Dauch got $8.5 MILLION BONUS>LINK |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yes - unfair - but numbers don't lie |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. he shouldn't get a fuck'n bonus for do'n his job at $17 million a year, i have saved companies i hav... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I could go for that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. um, he's not the only one. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. OK - how many are there? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. huh? that doesn't even make sense. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Except you are using different parts of what I said and conflating them |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I didn't know where you got the figure from, but that's the one you specified, so that's the answer |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. They arrive at the $70/hr figure by lumping in everything plus the kitchen sink... |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Well, personally, I think they should throw in EVERYTHING that makes up the bottom line |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I'm not saying they don't exist. But it's dishonest accounting to lump them together to imply... |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Well those things are not free and are indeed paid by someone |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. The "freaking out" is over the statistical spin game going on here... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. you have to include it as a cot, but to say it is compensation for current workers is a fucking LIE |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. I think this is an outrage - How dare they say such stupid crap about wages |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. southern senators are trying to destroy the American competition for their Foreign car factories..da |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. The way they answer that is to say the larger per hour figure |
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lazer47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. Even if they were,,,,WTF is the problem,,??? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. Hell if they were I'd quit my job and be an automaker |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. AMEN! |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. The truth is that previous employees were making even more |
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CK_John (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. Take home pay, without adding in pension, health, and retired worker benefits |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. randy rhodes yesterday was saying wages in foreign factories in the south are essentially the same |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. Ed Schultz is talking about that lie right now. He and his wife were watching CNN... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
15. But they COST that |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. The article I read said Toyota's costs were $59 a worker |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. So when that new deal is in place that would mean |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. The word is "welcomeD." The article describes the 2007 contract. |
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Indiana_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
16. That's STILL more than I make an hour as an RN of 11 years. |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Looks like college was a waste for me too |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. So? Our wages are suppressed because too many college ed'd workers have resisted unions. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I'd say 90% of white collar workers identify with the values of mgt. & owners. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Corporate bullshit: You're soaking in it! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Zactly. Who could ask for more? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. The point of the article and the 2007 contract is that the benefits have been decreased. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
17. There was a thread yesterday that explained how they got the $70 figure. |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
19. I don't blame the workers at all... |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Would you love to stand in one spot for eight hours a day? |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. i would too. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. I know at least two people in my company making well above that without any degree |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
20. Our union hasn't made a "demand" since 1976 |
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MJJP21 (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
26. I don't think |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
36. In the 70's the UAW median income was $45 per hour |
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patriotvoice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
38. The Rule of 4: take the wage price, multiply times 4. That's your wage cost. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I know this to be true. My employer is totally up front with those figures |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
41. GM bellies up and the execs start blaming labor unions |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
42. When I was working as a TA at NYU making $19K, they said we made $50K |
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