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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:13 AM Original message |
Here's why Iran is angry at America. |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. No, no, no....they hate us for our freedoms.....remember... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. We love them for their money. |
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Eryemil (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Considering the rather draconian laws and backwards culture |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. The young people like western culture. They want to live free. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. They were a secular country in 1953 |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
45. If that were the case, they would love the U.S. for its freedoms, not hate it. |
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Eryemil (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Good point, I wonder how they feel about Canada. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. a Gay couple escaped to India |
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Eryemil (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Well, the queer ones are anyway. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 05:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
67. But you're a queer, athiest cultural relativist who thinks those who rape and murder babies are just |
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Eryemil (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I don't know but I think this is against the board rules. If you have a problem with me... |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. But somehow, Japan, Germany, and Italy found a way past their anger... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The coup doesn't talk about the systematic rape of Irans oil for decades |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Thank you. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Millions dead, utter economic destruction, firestormed cities, atomic bombs, years of total war... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. It was in time of war, a war of aggression that THEY instigated |
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Baikonour (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Hmm. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. One of the greatest speeches a President has ever made, that one... |
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Baikonour (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yeah, Dulles was a mad man. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. There are always whispers about |
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Baikonour (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Exactly. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. We also decided not to turn Germany and Japan into international pariahs |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. State Department backed the most rightwing regimes in those nations. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. SAVAK was totally infiltrated |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
30. It's easy to set aside |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Japan never outlawed the right with and made it a shame to remember. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. We never propped up monsters to rule over those countries. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
60. "Never propped up monsters..." - guess you skipped history of 1920s and '30s n/t |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I think we were talking about post-war reconstruction. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. No offense, but no, that wasn't the referent |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. In my recollection, I thought they did try to set the past aside. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Hmmm... context much.... Iran had done abso frikkin lutely nothing to us. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Hmm - straw argument much? Your point, along with others above, answers something I didn't say n/t |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. Did we install Hitler or Mussolini into power, and let them terrorize their nations for over 20... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. He was quite dashing though |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
6. Calling them part of "the Axis of Evil" didn't help |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. A Canadian - David Frum - made that one up. Ugh! nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
9. And they got even in 1979. They need to let it go now. So do we. Iranians don't hate the US. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. The Shah destroyed their architecture and killed their grandparents. They don't trust our government |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. Bullpuckey-- not even close to "being even" It's not even about that. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
53. How do you define "even"? |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
11. Off to zeee greatest for ye. nt |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
12. The people in Iran had fought for 100 years to have a say in their |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
18. Oh, good. An excuse to post this... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. If you haven't seen Rageh Inside Iran |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Thanks for that. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
21. Or how about: Iran: the friendliest people in the world |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. K&R - There is something very terribly wrong about that picture. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
27. And today we hear that members of Congress took trips to Antigua |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
29. Well, with a less than 50% literacy rate, they are easily lead astray. |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. You mean 77%? |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. How many weapons of mass destruction do they have? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
69. Given the literacy rate in the USA |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
32. How many "AJAX"-type Operations have been authorized by Bush-Cheney? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
34. Well, that and the fact that Iran is controlled by group of theocratic despots |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. And we weren't? Please.. Stop with the tired old canards |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Oh, please. At the end of the day, Bush left power. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Last I saw, Rick Warren and his ilk still have a strangle hold on this country |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. That's right. "One nation under God" being in the pledge means that |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. We have people jailed, beaten, killed, tortured for being Gay in this country too |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. First, I am most certainly *not* saying that Iran is evil. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I've got quite a bit o perspective on the issue |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Oh please? I think stealing the SECOND election was NOT "leaving power". |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
42. Can we just withdraw from that entire area? I am tired of dealing with these crazies. nt |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
43. The toppling of Mossadegh was an Anglo-American co-production, wasn't it? |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. More us than them to be honest. |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
50. After half a century, it's time for them to take a fucking chill pill |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. My thoughts exactly, time to move on. nt |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Its seems to me that it should be us who should take a chill pill, we never got over 1979. n/t |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Exactly. Otherwise, it's the same-old, same-old, Hatfields and McCoys. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
62. The Shah had legal authority to dimiss Mossadeq |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 05:50 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Everything the Shah did |
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