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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:02 PM Original message |
Guardian: New Trek Depicts a Sexist Future |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. what else is new |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
38. A view from the times and place |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
106. Uhura NOT a role model in TOS? |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. I personally didn't consider her a role model; I was never going to be an officer. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #113 |
122. You personally, no. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. Yes, I am well aware. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. At ease, sarge. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. Parade rest ok? :) |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Works for me. n/t |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. All 4.5 TV series and 10 previous movies depicted a sexist future. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
103. wtf are you talking about? |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #103 |
129. Just like... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #129 |
141. There was also a female security chief on "The Next Generation" |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #141 |
152. Ooh. Good catch! |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #129 |
157. Don't forget |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #103 |
130. As the telephone operator -- yes, sexist |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. Ah, the ignorance... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. No. She was the communications officer. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Tks, sarge. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #139 |
150. You're welcome, damonm |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
159. Men - center, women - periphery/support roles. nt |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #159 |
192. Kathryn Janeway - Captain, USS Voyager |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. No one has condemned ALL Trek. nt |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #196 |
216. O RLY? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
177. Oh, well that just excuses everything else, doesn't it? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. 'Deanna Troi'. 'Nuff said. Their efforts to legitimize her post on the bridge were |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. When I went to see State of Play, women barely had speaking roles in the previews for other movies. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. I seem to remember a hard-assed female shuttle pilot |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. She said she'd put McCoy's butt in the seat |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. If someone had told you in 1962 that a black man would be |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. "That some very serious shit you're smoking." |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
110. And the green chick was certainly sexually liberated |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. You know, I found myself so within the confines of the show |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. It's a dilemma for us Trek fans, isn't it? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. No, you're right. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. been there done that with the uniform. though my sister said i should have been thankful |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
111. Those outfits remind me of the old PSA flight attendant miniskirts |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #111 |
156. I remember Braniff Airlines' outifts...Here are Braniff and PSA... |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #156 |
231. "PSA gives you a lift" (???) |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I'm glad prudes didn't ruin it. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. "Prudes?" |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. This article is correct. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Thanks for a man's opinion of what should be of interest/concern to women. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It's a remake of something that was cast over forty years ago... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. We've acknowledged that and even said we enjoyed the film. Chill. nt |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Let me know when women stop weighing in on circumcision threads.. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. I don't blame you for feeling that way one bit. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. though i think opinion is allowed, i too dont tell a guy how they should feel, what they |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Exactly. There you go! |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
191. yes - we just need to pop 'em out and let the men decide |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #191 |
201. Yes, I think the men should decide.. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #201 |
217. well now you know how we gals feel |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. I have a daughter and two granddaughters. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. a woman has never been president |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #220 |
223. What part of "Women vote in greater numbers than men" do you fail to understand? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #223 |
252. Women are not a voting bloc at all. Nearly half voted for GWB in '04. nt |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
227. I do too and I'm a woman. |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
248. Actually, Spock was a vegan |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. It is a movie. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Kirk in boxer shorts so we got legs too. Yeah, it was a yummy few seconds. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Boxers are sexy? |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. The legs and chest poking out of them were. |
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buzzycrumbhunger (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
171. Yes. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
117. I'm guessing the male butts in seats will far, far, far outnumber the |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #117 |
208. I'm curious what other people's experiences were, but when I saw the movie... |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #208 |
214. Yep, I went with my Mom |
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RomanHoliday (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
15. It's better than most summer superhero blockbusters.. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
16. Goddammit |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
53. delete wrong place |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
146. Off Topic...Mars Trilogy Was an interesting but tough read |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #146 |
155. Hey, thanks |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
175. one person's sexism is another person's traditional salute. Go see |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
210. It's sexy, not sexist. Fun movie. Go see it. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #210 |
243. Oh, I'm gonna |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
17. no...OLD trek depicts a sexist future... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That's essentially what I was going to say. But, damn... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. ... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. The social pressures - to this day - on what women wear and what it 'says' about them |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
118. yep. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
51. and I was an IDIOT at the age of 17 |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
63. fashion world has a BIG part of saying what we wear. last 8 yrs clothes ugly |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Sing it to me, baby! A friend of mine just went shopping to find something to wear |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. hubby been wearing button up 501 from day one. 3 decades later, same pant |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I shop in the men's dept. for pants, actually. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
190. Shopping for clothes makes me vow to sew my own from now on. However, |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
116. "damn impossible to get a pair of jeans or a shirt that fits. ALL t shirts made to small." |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #116 |
188. You're profile says you're male. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #188 |
205. actually, i do buy a lot of my wife's clothes. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #205 |
242. Well damn, I need to get you to do my shopping. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #242 |
263. i don't really enjoy "shopping", but i like finding bargains- and i've learned where to look. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
104. And also in the 80s and 90s |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
186. Dude, don't roll your eyes at me. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #186 |
197. A lot of guys are rolling their eyes in this thread. nt |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. Most men are still assholes when it comes to women's equality. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #186 |
211. don't make comments that warrant it, then... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #211 |
219. That's right. You're a man so you obviously know more about women's lives than women do. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #219 |
240. women only think that they're being judged by men regarding what they wear. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
90. Believe or not, minis were considered liberating. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #90 |
108. Nichelle Nichols talks about her costume (BBC) |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
114. Many here have no concept whatsoever of the times. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #114 |
163. I saw TOS first go 'round. People that don't agree with you aren't necessarily ignorant. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Yeah, we understand that. But it would have been nice to putUhuru in something a bit more practical |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. not in my opinion... |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
209. I'm beginning to think we should put an end to this and just make a Naked Star Trek |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #209 |
255. i'm of the same opinion when it comes to competetive figure-skating... |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
112. Not in the context of when it was filmed |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #112 |
167. "at the time it was shot a womans place was in the home barefoot and pregnant" |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #167 |
179. Yes, they did. When was the inter-racial kiss first aired? Anybody know? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. kirk also got the first interspecial kiss... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #185 |
195. Orion slave girls. |
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renegade000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
18. People who aren't big trek fans may not know this |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Yep. That is indeed correct. nt |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
40. A lot of people also don't know the part was written for Majel Barrett |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
49. Yup. She was XO, second most important job. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
21. Same as the rest of star trek - what else is new? |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
22. Its a fictional film, relax...damn...nt |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. My thoughts exactly |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
48. We've said we enjoyed the film. But the messages that popular culture send ARE important. |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
25. the men pretty much wear tights... |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. And the tights were as impractical as the miniskirts. |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
151. I remember watching Trekkies where this smart-aleck mentioned they had to change the uniforms in DS9 |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
162. No, they're not wearing tights. nt |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #162 |
194. how not? nt |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
28. As a woman born in 1980 who strongly believes in gender equality |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
182. Don't blame Roddenberry. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
37. Seems she and I didn't see quite the same movie. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
102. "I can think of more serious injustices over which to get my knickers in a twist" |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #102 |
119. Just as long as you don't steal my knickers. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. Not often. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #127 |
136. Except Spock and McCoy don't end up married with children. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #136 |
153. There IS that... n/t |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
39. I did want Uhura to be much more than a girlfriend. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. I want to see her take over command. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Well then... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
70. I was thinking only of ST: OS |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Ummm...the times she took command of the Enterprise was in |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Yes I did. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. You're right. There's been so many incarnations of ST that I didn't |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. No problem, Sub. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
60. But neither she nor Spock are line officers. nt |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. She is a line officer. Only medics, lawyers and chaplains are non-line. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #64 |
93. That's not the case in the USN. Non-line do have bridge duty. nt |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
258. OK |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
43. the article is odd...says only 4 women with speaking roles |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
95. Nor does it count any of the other women who speak in the movie... |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
98. Oh - and how could I forget - Majel Barrett Rodenberry as the ship's computer. n/t |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
50. Almost all of the so-called blockbuster films are like this. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. the herion of late is the stripper/prostitute with the heart of gold |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
230. Women are to be exploited or assaulted or killed. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
52. movies that sell to 12-25 yr old males. pfft. nt |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
54. Can't anyone watch a fucking movie anymore just for the |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Why the anger? We've said we like Trek and this movie. So you're okay with men as the cultural |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. sit down, lower eyes, and shut up. dontcha know. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Sit down, lower eyes, and shut up? n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. "I'm saying is just watch the damn movie". kinda like this |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Ok, answer me this: |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #78 |
85. no, obviously you dont know better.... why? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Not angry at all. And, since I'm not sitting in a seat inside a |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. We should just shut up and watch the damned movie? Okay. Why are you in this thread? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Please show me where I said shut up? All I'm saying is |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
149. Are you with the Taliban Modesty Police? |
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jfkraus (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
56. Please remember... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Yes, we've noted that. And we love Trek and TOS. nt |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
58. Don't worry--Capt. Janeway is coming. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Yep. She seems to have gotten lost in the Star Trek sexism outrage. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Voyager and DS9, and Enterprise just fade away compared to TOS and TNG. They're |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Voyager was constantly on re-runs here until a year ago. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Wash DC, interestingly, gave Voyager its highest ratings. I thought it was most like TOS |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #80 |
107. I never liked Deep Space 9, myself. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #107 |
164. I didn't like DS9 either. nt |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #164 |
238. I'm surprised. There were some GREAT characters: Odo, Quark, Garak, the Cardassian "tailor" |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #238 |
253. I couldn't stand the Ferengi or the weird religious stuff. nt |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. She was kick-ass! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I prefer 'Year of Hell' Janeway. nt |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. Mine too - 60 posts on this thread and only two mention Janeway? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. I wonder if the essay writer ever saw Voyager. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. It was shown in England, but not on the same schedule, and it was satellite, I believe. nt |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
161. Maybe. I do seem to recall Voyager not getting the same respect as the others. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
121. I seem to remember plenty of female Admirals in bit parts as well. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #121 |
199. A couple of times, quite substantial roles. |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
87. I like how just because something's not shown, it's not possible... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
89. It's just a movie. That, or I'm going to be Spiderman. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. so, we put a pit bull following stereotype of vicious and out of control |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Where did I say thumbs up? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. bah haha. ya, right. n/t |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
91. Yes, it's a depiction of a '60s show, but the set, soundtrack and special effects were updated... |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
99. News Flash: New Trek Film Made in Sexist Present |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. better? michelle obama clothes and naked bust, palin and porn movie, hillary |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I said better, not ideal. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. yes |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
105. ROFLMAO! |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
109. I'm female, I'm liberated, and I loved this movie. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #109 |
120. Personally, I'm miffed there was no 40 year old red headed straight white woman born in... |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Not to mention how it was totally ageist. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Very true. Anyone over the age of 25 was stuck at Starfleet Academy in administrative positions. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #123 |
140. Did you see the film? The Enterprise was populated largely by CADETS. They |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #140 |
148. I don't know if that's true...(possible spoilers) |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #140 |
154. I adored this film. But ... ALL the older crew was dead/incapacitated? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #154 |
246. Well, if you remember, |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #109 |
126. Thank you |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
165. I liked it too. I thought it was terrific. nt |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #109 |
169. Not only that |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
125. Give me a friggin' break. Yes! You see it's all a conspiracy to hold the "woman" down. WTF? n/t |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #125 |
166. Just what I'd expect from a poster named 'Noodley Appendage'. Sounds limp. nt |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #166 |
200. I'm lasagna thick baby. n/t |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
128. Are there any Latinos in this version of Trek? |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #128 |
143. Ricardo Mantalban |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #128 |
244. Not sure what counts as a Latino |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
132. shut up and bring me a beer |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
142. Breaking News: It's an alternate reality |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
144. I wrote a fanfic about the sexism in Trek once. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
184. I think I may have read that..... |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #184 |
234. Was it this one? |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
145. So did they make the miniskirts longer or not ? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #145 |
158. A Star Trek manual I read once pointed out that the length of the miniskirts was determined from |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
147. I guess if you look hard enough, you'll find it if you want to |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
160. This article is beyond ridiculous |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #160 |
168. TOS was pretty radical for its day in many ways. nt |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. And (small spoiler)... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #160 |
180. Sex is sexist. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #160 |
187. Thank you. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #160 |
207. That was the part of the article that bothered me most. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
172. Star Trek being sexist is a laugh. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #172 |
193. And another commander Capt Rachel Garrett of honored memory. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #172 |
212. Not to mention all the various female admirals |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #212 |
225. I didn't forget her. There are just too many to post in one shot. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #225 |
235. Great list. Thanks |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #172 |
215. Let's see...some women in shrink-wrap 'uniforms'. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #215 |
221. So? |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #221 |
226. If they want to complain about sexpots on TV, why not Dollhouse? |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #221 |
237. I wondered when 7of9's cat suit would be mentioned. Roddenberry and company |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #237 |
247. Ryan had a hell of a time getting in and out of the silver one that was even stitched up the butt. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:46 AM Response to Reply #215 |
232. *sigh* If I had a body like that, I'd probably live in snug-fitting onesies. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #232 |
236. Sing it. sister. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #215 |
249. Ooh! Cherry picking costumes when they wore many! How convenient. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #249 |
250. If you're trying to tell me 7o9 wore a lot of other non-shrinkwrap costumes, think again and Troi |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #250 |
254. I'm not telling you anything, but Seven was a borg, the ugliest character in ST's history |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #254 |
257. I didn't care for Janeway all that much, and I'm a young woman |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #257 |
260. God, no one said it's sexist not to like a TV show. But Voyager's ratings among |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
173. Considering the entire movie was mocking the original series, the 'Guardian' needs to lighten up |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
174. Gene Roddenberry tried to fix this in his planned 2nd Trek series by having men wear skirts too |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #174 |
181. True, but we also got Counsellor Cleavage on the bridge. nt |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #174 |
183. You only caught glimpses of men in miniskirts occasionally. |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
176. So, let's make a Star Trek beginning... |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
189. pssst. guardian, it's science fiction. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
198. That Guardian isn't fit to share the same name with this Guardian: |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #198 |
202. Good one! nt |
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Drix (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
204. Any distinction at all? |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. Thank you for that one. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #204 |
213. Excellent point. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #204 |
222. Exactly. Sexist attitudes are probably more damaging to women than mini-skirts. nt |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
224. Well, it's no Lexx, that's for sure! |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #224 |
228. Psst. This is GD. They're not going to get that. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #228 |
229. Too obscure? |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
233. Uhura should be wearing a Burka? |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
239. Those were different times. I got to meet and chat with Gene Roddenberry at |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #239 |
241. Cool stories. Thanks! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #239 |
251. Cool! That's why Iike Trek. nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
245. So Uhura is a sexist character because (mild spoilers) |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
256. I think we should all simmer down and watch GALAXY QUEST |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #256 |
259. Not just Trek, science fiction in general was sent up. |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #259 |
261. "By Grathbar's Hammer!" |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #261 |
262. "I won't go out there and say that stupid line again!!" |
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