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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:09 PM Original message |
Obesity, lets cut to the chase shall we? |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Here's an interesting show from the CBC |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. thanks listening to add |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Just a brief heads-up . . . |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Which is one of the emerging elements of research |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. And I do believe I have all of them. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. wow that was a brilliant link thanks nt |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Very cogent post....I'm sure you will take heat for it though. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. every time I know |
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islandgirl808 (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. "choice is a luxury" |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
110. It surely is. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. recommend |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. The Armed Forces do something called "force shaping"--and they sometimes use the shape of their |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Not even talking about that |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Well, I brought it up because you discussed the military standards in your thesis. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Of course the military has an off \ on policy depending on personnel needs |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. I think the biggest part of the problem is that people don't MOVE much anymore. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Yeah but in places like Mexico City where the car culture is not that |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Is Mexico City all that friendly to walkers? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. yes, even today |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
128. Most Mexican cities are friendly to walkers |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Europe has a much cooler climate, as well. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
75. It gets mighty hot in Spain and Italy. It's scorching in Sicily. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. And even the eating routine is different |
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demigoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #75 |
89. exactly, i lived in spain where it can get to 108 and that was before global warming |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
187. we need a 6 hour workday |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
145. I grew up in Dallas when not everything was completely air conditioned. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Funny they are finding that our temp controlled environments |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
162. Many people succumb to heat exhaustion because they have become acclimated |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #162 |
176. And some people succumb to heat exhaustion b/c it's too goddamn hot out there. |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. One of the ways that the poor try to survive |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. and that my dear is our national food policy |
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suzy creemcheeze (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
229. But starches DON'T fill the stomach faster! |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. I have a problem with one thing you said: |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. While lentils are cheap, one of the few grains that are |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. It can be done, though |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. But I am talking of a national food policy |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. I'm not disagreeing that our food policy is hugely flawed |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I am not saying it is impossible |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
95. Okay, I thought you had said it could not be done in your OP |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. The emerging science and if we ever get single payer health care |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
188. a lady approached me at the store few months ago |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #188 |
190. And one reason for her choice of foods |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #39 |
221. I think it depends a lot on where you are, and where you can shop. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #221 |
222. That is part of the national food policy |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #222 |
225. By national food policy, are you speaking of government policy? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. Ramen has become huge with the food stamp users |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Oh trust me I know |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
84. Lentils are actually legumes. nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. you are right, but you know the point I was making |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
127. The problem is not really that we have a bad national food policy ... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. Actually we do have a national food policy |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #134 |
151. I disagree. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. Read the AG bill, it is the US food policy |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. There are many poor neighborhoods that have no access to |
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MonteLukast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. The odd thing is, a farmer's market in a low-income area... |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #60 |
119. I live in a low-income area which has a farmer's market. |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #47 |
97. I've managed to eat healthy off 7-11 fare |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
117. Also, frozen vegetables nowadays are 'fresher' than 'fresh' ones |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
18. I couldn't agree more! |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
19. When I was a kid during the great depression many people were poor. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Check your stats for obesity in places like Bolivia, Thailand, Mexico |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Add in the diabetic rates |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. When the researchers finally get to a workable answer |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I totally agree |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
70. When you were a kid you ate real food. Not sodas. Not McDonalds. Not Snackwells |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
217. And people are alcoholics because they drink too much. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. Abstinence education and diet/exercise education have been massive medical failures |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. We are finding that viruses are involved, as well as genetics |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Another possible cause are manmade chemicals that mimic hormones |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Yes, the more I read the more I go... fascinating |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. This is what I think the problem is |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #30 |
98. Testosterone burns fat. Estrogen builds fat. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:01 AM Response to Reply #98 |
107. I'm a guy and I wouldn't want to take estrogen pills either |
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wildflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
130. You have a really excellent point here |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #130 |
219. From an evolutionary perspective, dieting should make people fatter |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
23. Thank you very much for this |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I gave up on ideal weight a long time ago |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Oprah admitted finally that she has a thyroid problem. |
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MonteLukast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. Can you develop thyroid resistance... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. I think so |
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MonteLukast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. What with all the pharmaceuticals in the water supply... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. ah here we go |
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NOW tense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
24. I changed my diet two months ago. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. i changed my diet last week |
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NOW tense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #33 |
108. There is defintely something to it. n/t |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
37. One of the big problems in the USA is HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Not only the US, but you are correct |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I understand your predicament with Splenda. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Splenda has chlorine in it. Not good. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #46 |
102. So does table salt |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Have you tried Stevia? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Didn't like it, but I guess I will have to give it another try |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #53 |
79. good post and important topic... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Don't leave home without my shopping bag |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
194. I think sleep is a HUGE factor |
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MonteLukast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. They make a diet soda with Stevia now! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #51 |
85. Don't like it. |
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MonteLukast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Why would HFCS... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #54 |
156. Evil magic joo joo. |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
49. One anecdote |
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MonteLukast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. And even "thin" people have higher body weights now. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. There is actual talk of ahem changing the actuarial tables |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
183. they've already changed them at least once. changed the standards for |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Look at old films |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #72 |
120. Most of them smoked |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
50. THanks for a mature discussion on this folks |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Thanks for posting. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Oh you welcome I also was a very thin kid |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Good for you. I'm always happy whenever anyone is successful. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. What is funny is that once I adopted this intuitive eating habit |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #66 |
122. I've been doing "I can make you thin" |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
59. I've always had to fight my weight. I have wondered if it wasn't the milk. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Have you ever been tested for lactose intolerance? |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
71. I at least half agree with you -- when people are fat now, it's not their fault -- |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Please do explain to me the epidemic rates of obesity in |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. I was trying to be fair and sympathetic, but clearly for some deep-seated reason you just HAVE |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Not only you cannot discuss popular culture in a mature manner but you cannot |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #83 |
123. Considering the fact there's been a study within the past |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
74. I think the evidence is mounting that an epidemic is chemical poisoning. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yes, I think you are right |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Astonishing, yet beckoning somehow, like a puzzle. |
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raventattoo (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
78. The reasons are multifactorial |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. If it was mindset it would just be the United States |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #78 |
92. Another factor is overwork. It takes time to make rice and beans. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #78 |
93. I eat mostly junk food and work a sendentary job |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #78 |
121. Take that $20 |
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suzy creemcheeze (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #121 |
230. Beans and nuts ARE quality proteins... |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #78 |
126. Been to the grocery store lately? |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
211. ok |
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raventattoo (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
80. And the real "Let's cut to the chase" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. You are wrong, some medis, AVANDIA for example, have |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #86 |
112. So where does the body's increased mass *come from* then, if not from food eaten? |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #80 |
94. Woe is us... !! |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #80 |
100. We have a winner. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. There are a couple up thread that are just as stupid |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #100 |
116. Another poster wondered, with seemingly good reason, just where does the increase |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #116 |
135. Read my post re Sinequan |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. I can sympathacize but it doesn't address the question of where the added mass |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #142 |
146. Then as a scientist you may want to learn this |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. Yes, that's all pretty basic. What I am trying to learn isn't that, it is how |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Ok if I eat the same bowl of cereal as you |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #150 |
169. Yes, that addresses the metabolism -rate-...let me try an analogy: |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Ok you can get what is going on |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #170 |
174. Thank you very much Nadin for following up so patiently and clearly... |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Please believe that I have no reason or desire to be obtuse! |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #170 |
177. I must disagree with your first point: calories are calories are calories. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. But not the way they are used by the body |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:53 PM Original message |
Okay, you win. I should have remembered my discussions with creationists |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
205. You are comparing science with creationists? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #142 |
175. I'll explain this again: What part of "insane cravings" was not clear? The caloric intake increased |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. Okay, I never intended to offend anyone. But I'm pretty sure that no other |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. No one here has asked to violate the laws of thermodynamics. But you are not paying attention... |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #180 |
195. I am aware that some people appear to think that the laws of physics are |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #195 |
202. You are being willfully obtuse. At this point I think you're stirring the pot for amusement. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #80 |
103. Honey, we'll talk after you've been on Prednisone |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #80 |
109. Talk to me after you've been on Sinequan for fibromyalgia for almost 20 years... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
91. Sorry, I didn't have any problem eating healthy when I was poor |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. don't be sorry... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
104. No, lets cut to the real chase...nutrition. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:19 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. National food policy includes things like the |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. The food pyramid is influenced by large agribusiness corporations. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. yes... of course! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #106 |
115. That silly thing has changed a LOT in my lifetime. They move around |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
113. From my personal experience with weight gain and loss |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
114. The problem is stress, poverty, refined carbs, and access to healthy fresh food. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #114 |
139. This goes beyond US borders |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
118. You make some excellent points! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #118 |
141. When we find the real answer to this, |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #141 |
226. I agree. Something about the chemical load we carry |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
124. "WORLD WIDE epidemic..." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #124 |
136. Peru is not advanced, the hinterlands of mexico are not advanced |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #136 |
143. fat people have absolutely NOBODY to blame for it other than themselves. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Ok now that you got your puritan statement out |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. it's only an 'epidemic' in industrialized countries... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Peru is industrialized? That will come as a surprise to them |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. ALL of those places have industries making products for the american marketplace. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. They are NOT industrialized, you get a clue |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. look- whatever you need to do or believe to be comfortable with yourself is fine with me. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. And if you do the same fine by me |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. i changed my diet and lost 60 lbs in less than three months. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Congratulations, so I lost fifty pounds and maintained for three years |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. whatever you need to believe...that's your prerogative in life. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. Again congratulations, you are the exception, congrats |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #168 |
182. you keep spouting 'science...science ...science'... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Yes, even the amish are seeing higher rates of obesity |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #184 |
191. my first instict would be that it has more to do with childhood factors than anything. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. And that is part of what we have been trying to tell you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #193 |
198. Oh and let me add, this does not mean people should wallow |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #193 |
218. the reason i lost so much weight so quickly was because i had to give up ALL dietary starch... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. Ah you did a variation of the low carb diet |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #220 |
223. for me, the starch is a medical issue. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #223 |
224. Ah yes, as I said specific medical problems |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #168 |
216. Deleted message |
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189. Deleted message |
dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. and you're not? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #153 |
215. Deleted sub-thread |
CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #143 |
214. what about fat children? |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
125. These folks don't seem to have a problem with obesity |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #125 |
131. In western culture, the girls would be called fat and in need of breast implants |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #125 |
138. And I will say this again, the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION |
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ChickMagic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
129. My story of weight gain |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Put the cinnamon in your coffee. It's good for diabetes, cinnamon is. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #132 |
140. Hey I do... read it in the intertubes |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. addicted to cinnamon scones |
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ChickMagic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #137 |
228. Oh, snooper2 |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
133. Cheap food and low wages.... |
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gbate (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
157. Thinking about my weekly grocery bill. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
159. It's not the food, it's the inactivity. The human species is built for a lot more |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. If this was JUST the US you'd have a point |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. you "process" food when you chew it with your teeth... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Read some of the emerging science because it does not |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. ...lol |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. So you can't so poopooing emerging science is your way to deal with this |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #164 |
173. when we talk about processed food... |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #159 |
196. Indeed...and (I mention this with great trepidation): I check in to DU at odd hours and days and |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. Some of us work at home... and my exercise machine gets used every day |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Look, I appreciate your attempt but trying to short-circuit the laws of thermodynamics |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. It is simple, in your mind it is short circuiting |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
185. Article about leptin and reverse T3 research. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Thanks and more is emerging |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
197. I'm not quite sure, but I am quite sure I agree with you. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #197 |
200. Well first we need to start talking about this at the POLICY level |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. I agree with every one of your points except one: I think physicians do have a role |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. Here is the problem with doctors |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. That is true. They get an hour or two of education about nutrition, except for the docs |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. And those not really, the good ones have in the practice |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. Okay, okay... I surrender. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. Brother is a doc, one of the top three Chrohs disease specialists |
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Tutankhamun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
212. Cheap foods. High fructose corn syrup. Video games instead of soccer |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. The video games are part of the answer in the US, but not in Peru |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
227. Observations |
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suzy creemcheeze (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #227 |
231. But the truth is that more poor are overweight than higher-income people |
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