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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:15 PM Original message |
"the very voice that could save us by bringing balance to our world is not welcome at the table" |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. so sad, so very true. k and r |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. KnR...its them male domination groups suppressing women/employees, and students. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. This smacks of victim horseshit. |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Boys are dropping out of school because |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Good Christ, someone here agrees with me? I hardly know what to do. |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. You're not alone, but |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
92. You do realize that you are sounding like a victim yourself, don't you? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:34 AM Response to Reply #92 |
109. Would love to hear your take on the OP's now-deleted responses in |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Cry me a fucking river. Men are still and always will be the power group. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No, no, no. You can't add adjectives to "Cry Me a River." There's only |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
47. Yeah, fuck men. They don't deserve education. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
112. Bullshit. "Men" as a class aren't a "power group". In case you didn't know, for example, |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. Schools aren't hostile to boys. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. so instead of bringing the boys up to the girls level |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You don't see it. They sure as Hell did. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Harriet Tubman sure as hell did, and she got it done without all the |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Harriet Tubman literally followed her dreams |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'd do what I could for Harriet Tubman. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
88. So was Marie Curie. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. as were a lot of women named |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. So you're willing to dismiss examples of woman who have accomplished extraordinary things |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. That's a bizarre and false projection. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:41 AM Response to Reply #90 |
111. and Ann Ecdotal |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #88 |
102. Seems like a whole buncha them girls all thru the history thing got |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. She is an inspiring example. Now tell us all about all the OTHER slave women. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. As I understood the tale, Harriet Tubman rose to lead all slaves, whether |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. No, I said tell us about all the OTHER slave women. I know about Harriet Tubman. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. See if you can follow a few basic facts. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
57. Stop trying to change the subject.Tell me about the OTHER slave women. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #57 |
103. Well, what do you THINK happened to them? The rest of us should not have |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
113. and the slave MEN. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. I suppose these women are screaming fake victimhood, too? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Anyone who is victimized and who is suffering is victimized and is |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
105. There are brave women in many countries fighting for their rights. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. what you write smacks of blame the victim |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Try not to besmirch the nobility of Harriet Tubman. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. it seems to me that you are the one besmirching her |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 05:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. I'm trying to recall any assaults mounted by Tubman against the slave |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
59. The detractors sound like Limbaugh |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
118. To honor Tubman's model is to acknowledge what she knew about |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. or these women |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. or these |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. or these |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You might avoid the grocery lists and try some actual food preparation |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. oh, you are soooo cute, just like the person here |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Seriously, if I wanted to participate in those threads, I would. Turns out, |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. you can call it whatever you want, sweetcheeks. we know your routine, |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Ah, but it's not my article, is it. And I didn't drag it over here from |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. OMG! Unbelievable. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. thank you so much for posting this. right on cue, I see, the detractors step in. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. Unrecommended. "Male-assigned sex roles" ? Jesus. I dare you to go up |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. That certainly didn't take long... |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
17. just once, wouldn't you love to see something original from the detractors. have been |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. It's an interesting piece, for anyone who wants to actually read it. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. it was indeed--and I have been busy spreading it around for people I know will be interested. |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. I actually read it and agree with you. And the detractors? The H--LL with them. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
51. I read it too and it's crap. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Maybe you'd be better off reading some history. Broaden your perspective and |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
25. I find your choice of avatar (Popeye with a can of spinach) confusing |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I find it confusing |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. I find you confused |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. We may both think the other was. The difference being |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
71. I had to look that up. 'philogynist' |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
28. Mediation, not victimhood, is the prevalent component in self-hood and |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Good night, saltpoint. Sleep tight. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. We make strong coffee at our house. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
36. I opt for the life-ending meteor I'm so sick of this fucking planet |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
43. What a bunch of ..... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
50. She's talking about a mid-life crisis. They aren't limited to women. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
53. I hope those who are interested will read the whole piece and interpret it as they will |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
55. Wahhhhhhh Wahhhhhhh Wahhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhh. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Oh you poor thing. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Wahhhhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhh |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Can you imagine why one would feel sorry for you? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Not Sure. Lemme Write Some Long Winded Whining Ass Tripe About Being Poor Wittle Me On The Internet |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Which account will you use? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Yours. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
60. Unrec for simple fact that our most senior diplomat is a woman nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Ah, Harriet Tubman logic. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I don't deal in platitudes, just reality |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Deleted message |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. Male reality |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
95. HIllary ? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
63. What a load of hooey. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Thanks for a thoughtful post...... but why so hostile. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:55 AM Response to Reply #63 |
116. It's from both men & women having to follow the logic of capital. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
66. why are these argument aimed at women? |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
67. I greatly disagree with a lot in this article. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. my daughter enjoys both |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. I agree |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
72. I don't see Art as a feminine value. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Neither does the author. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. She's certainly implying that art and music are neglected because they aren't masculine values. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. No, she is stating that this value system neglects the things that make life worth living. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Oh, I know what she's stating. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Then she assigned genders to those value systems. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Please show where she does that. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. It's her basic thesis: that women have denied their "feminity" |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Yes, I think she makes it confusing |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. If she means that all people have "masculine" and "feminine" aspects--yin and yang |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
94. Oh, bullshit |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
96. They should be.Without women |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:52 AM Response to Reply #96 |
114. And you know this from where?....eom |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-21-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
97. Full of stereotypes IMO |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. IMHO the writer is referring to a bigger picture of influence re:masculine values and "the feminine" |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. What bothers me is the whole idea that there is a particular value system that can be called 'the |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-24-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #106 |
120. All that loud cheering and affirmation you're hearing right now is coming |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #97 |
108. You bring up a good point about the "busy lives" no-free-time assertion |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
104. Victimhood is the ultimate aphrodisiac for some. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Despite the whiny tone, I don't think victimhood is the fundamental issue |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:38 AM Response to Original message |
110. I'm a woman; women can be every bit as sneaky, small-minded, & vicious as men. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:53 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. +1 |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 04:55 AM Response to Reply #110 |
117. I am woman, hear me roar. Watch me throw up on the floor... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-23-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #110 |
119. Agree. In the working world both male and female bosses can be |
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