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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:22 PM
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HERE'S THE ANSWER FOR REID to END THE FILIBUSTER BULLSHIT
Yes, i know i'm shouting. but i'm sick and tired of creeps like lieberman and his ilk hijacking an imperative program for millions of people who need healthcare.

The Senate should assemble a bill for the people - expand medicare, build a public option, and remove favorable status for insurance companies.

Then the Senate should stop all business that is non-essential until the mid term elections. With our other majorities, we can at least count on fairer elections than in the past. Let the voters pick the next senators and see if enough come on board to overcome the fillibuster.

In the meantime, demote lieberman and any other obstructive blue Democratic Senators.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:25 PM
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1. Reid needs to keep those suckers in session thru the Christmas holidays
They've had plenty of time to pass a bill--make them stick around over the holidays. Not that it will affect Lieberman.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:26 PM
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2. good point
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:27 PM
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3. The guy is guilty of negligent homicide IMHO if he kills this.
The future 45,000 Americans who will die because they don't have access to decent health care is on his head and that of all the Republicans in the Senate. This is not a political issue. It's a failure of our representative government to meet the needs of the people of the USA when that need is literally a matter of life and death.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:11 PM
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17. i can't stop thinking about all the sick people who are depending on this help
while idiots like lieberman are playing politics
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:27 PM
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4. Only 1/3 of the Senate is up for reelection in 2010, and
if current trends hold, there will be more Republicans in the Senate in 2011.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:12 PM
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18. i think the stark choice may change that trend.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 03:09 PM
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23. IF that is true it is due to the current weak kneed Democratic leadership rather than any voters Wil...
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:09 PM
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27. lieberman appears to have won.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:28 PM
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5. If he'd just remove
the favorable status for insurance companies, that would be a help.

No one is going to stand up to their puppet master (aka pharma and insurance).
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:15 PM
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22. that would make the insurance companies more accountable
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:29 PM
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6. Reid will do nothing. He will simply waffle some more.
Where is the leadership?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:45 PM
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11. Reid will buckle to Lieberman. Reid is a weak senator.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:48 PM
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12. Yup. He can't lead...only follow.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 05:32 PM
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26. Reconciliation may be the only remaining option.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:33 PM
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7. Here's an idea from Schumer:
Split off the medicare expansion into it's own bill and pass it on reconciliation. Then pass all the insurance reform as a different bill.

We're done before Christmas.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:34 PM
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8. What if President Obama lets the genie out of the bottle?
What if he issues a signing statement covering all Americans with Medicare, effective immediately, until Congress can come up with an acceptable health care bill. The Secretary of Health is going to have to make it work and they are going to have to find the money somewhere in the budget. Frankly once people have the coverage and are using it, they aren't going to be happy having it taken away from them once a corporate friendly bill is finally hammered and put into effect years from now, which does nothing to help people in dire need today.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:39 PM
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9. It needs to be done LONG before the elections... or a filibuster will be the least of our worries
Right now we stand to lose 2-4 seats in the senate. If we clog things up like this WITHOUT passing a major bill, it's possible that we could lose six or more. Then they'll spin that as a "mandate" from the voters and we'll NEVER get something passed.

The flip side of that is that if we can pass something reasonable pretty soon, we can turn this thing around and hold our own.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:42 PM
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10. Recruit Snowe to switch by offering her Lieberman's chairmanship, and
kick the bastard out.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:13 PM
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19. that's a very good idea
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:17 PM
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21. That would replace someone who votes with the Democrats not enough with someone who
votes with the Democrats even less.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 03:12 PM
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24. Yeah!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:00 PM
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13. Why is this anywhere near a feasible solution?
Republicans don't want anything, so we give them exactly that until they give us health care? That's a good idea.... how?
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:14 PM
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20. it's better than killing the idea and continuing to waterdown the
legislation only to have the repugs and repug-lites like lieberman thumb our noses and say we're still not going to support what you've compromised on.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:03 PM
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14. Reid can choose to clear the Senate schedule and refuse to bring anything else to the floor.
That's one way to deal with a filibuster - stop ALL Senate business, entirely. Nothing gets done, AT ALL, until the bill gets an up or down vote.

It's a hard-core, heavy-handed, expensive tactic, but for the health care bill, it's worth it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:08 PM
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15. he's not going to do that -- the defense approps bill still has to pass
Edited on Mon Dec-14-09 01:09 PM by onenote
And holding up that bill would blow up in the Democrats faces.

On the other hand, I wonder if there is a way to put the Health Care bill together with the approps bill, which would make it hard for the repubs to filibuster it.
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:09 PM
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16. Let 'em stand there with...
a pee cup in one hand and the DC phone book in the other.

Make them bring a sleeping bag also.

at least the American Public will see who the obstructionist asshats really are
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 05:24 PM
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25. agreed
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:57 PM
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28. You're making the naive assumption that the Republicans won't take over one...
or both Houses of Congress next November.

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