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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:03 PM Original message |
Need some Ayn Rand help... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Vonnegut. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Ding! |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I think Sirens of Titan needs to be in the top 3. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. personally, I rather like Player Piano. |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
70. Player Piano! My favorite Vonnegut! She should read that. Catch-22 |
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rampart (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
92. vonnegut grades his own work in "palm sunday" |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Yep, that would about do it |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Depends on the reader, really. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Yeah, |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Oh, you want lighter. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Well, I meant lighter than the bombing of Dresden |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Yes! Yes! Oh yes. |
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imnKOgnito (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. Good One |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. Bluebeard is still the only novel to make me truly cry. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think the best antidote to Rand is turning 20 |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. Getting a job also helps. nt |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. That's what I'm hoping. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. I didn't get over her until I was 22 or 23, but then I was still in college. |
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poverlay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
47. Well and truly said... n/t |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. Adam Smith |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Interpretations is not the problem with Rand's books. nt |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. "The Given Day" by Dennis Lehane. |
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KingOfLostSouls (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. Bill Hicks |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
9. My suggestion is that you give her a birthday present that celebrates her and not you. n/t |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Parents have an obligation to make sure their children don't become fuck-ups later in life |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. the jungle |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Yep. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. DITTO! DITTO! |
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Cirque du So-What (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. George Santayana |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. Dickens, a Tale of Two Cities |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. The ending is also extremely anti-randian. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
14. The Grapes of Wrath, 1984, Animal Farm |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. The Grapes of Wrath. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. They're required where my son goes to school |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
15. The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. +1 |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. +2 |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
77. +3 |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. Give her a copy of John Gardner's On Becoming A Novelist... |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
79. Really. I have difficulty understanding why a teacher would assign |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. I was really shocked to hear that some public high schools were assigning her tripe... |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. Ding!! |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
18. A tea bagger rally? "Here are people that believe that stuff". |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Ha. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
24. A card with this quote--- |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Ha ha ha ha! |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
81. i was just thinking of LOTR - |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
83. +1 |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
25. You can almost buy the premise in The Fountainhead |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
64. That's a great review. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
26. I'd suggest some Harlan Ellison books. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
29. Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America. Also Down and Out in Paris and London |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
35. Get her some Harlequin romances. The bodice-ripping comes without faux philosophy. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Only if Fabio is on the cover. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
38. Catch-22. |
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Stargleamer (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
41. Another Country by James Baldwin or |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
42. None of this will help influence her more than spending time with the poor. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. True. The media puts out all sorts of lies about the poor |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. yep, nt. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Interestingly, I was just talking about the needs of our local food banks |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. How old is she? |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. She'll be 16. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Last time I checked in on our 3 teenagers... |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
44. Get yourself a birthday present and tell her she gets nothing |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Good idea. Show her the ethical consequences of Rand's madness. nt |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. That's good |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. That's funny! |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
78. BEST RESPONSE EVER. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
96. +1! nt |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
99. Have her Google William Hickman, with whom Ms. Rand was enraptured. |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
54. Let her read. You can never go wrong reading, regardless of what it is. Problems only |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Really? 80%? |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. The article is here: |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
84. we made up for that by purchasing around 200M books. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
109. Come to think of it, I'm part of that 80% - |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
57. Bioshock. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
88. That is an AWESOME game! |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:28 AM Response to Reply #88 |
107. It's fantastic. One of my all-time favorites. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
58. The Jungle |
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The_Commonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
61. When she finishes Atlas Shrugged, show her this: |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
62. Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
102. +1 |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
63. Jeff Sharlet's The Family |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
65. Ayn Rand bio |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
66. THANKS EVERYBODY !!11!! |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Ayn Rand would expect the gutters to clean themselves. |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
69. Robert Tressell's The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
71. A simple reminder that Ayn Rand wrote... |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
72. Besides "antidotes"... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
73. "On The Road" Jack Kerouac "Oryx and Crake" Margaret Atwood |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
74. Language in Thought and Action offers good lessens concerning critical thinking. nt |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
75. It usually begins with Ayn Rand by Jerome Tuccile. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. I have the perfect antidote to Randism, but it's not a novel |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
85. You need to give that English teacher a lecture for assigning anything by that sociopath. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Not really. Kids need to be assigned all kinds of different reading so it |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. She's a horrible writter, the ideological content not-withstanding. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. So is Dan Brown, but I'll bet "The DaVinci Code" and his writing will be |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
86. Anything written my Thom Hartmann. He pretty much shoots holes into |
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Happy Friend (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
89. Absurd Choice |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
91. What English class would assign an Ayn Rand book.... |
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HarveyDarkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
93. just show her this, although Vonnegut is the best antidote |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
94. Nietzsche: Beyond Good and Evil |
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rampart (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
95. the tallula morehead review of fountainhead should work |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Yup, very accurate. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
98. Get her the Bones or Star Trek boxed set. |
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DeltaLitProf (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
100. Zinn's A People's History of American Empire |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
103. Jack London - The Iron Heal |
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soleiri (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
104. Luckily, my son was given the option to read Atlas Shrugged |
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warm regards (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
108. Manifest der Kommunistischen |
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