Woo hoo, now the OAS is the enemy

[rabs]

to the gusaneria and their GOP bootlickers ....


House panel votes to defund the OAS


eek (sorry)

The House Foreign Affairs Committee began its Wednesday markup of the State Department authorization bill by voting to end funding for the Organization of American States (OAS), with Republicans lambasting the organization as an enemy of freedom and democracy.

Also, the committee voted to end the foreign aid to

Argentina
Venezuela
Ecuador
Bolivia
Nicaragua

As if they will give a rat's behind, especially Argentina and Venezuela, plus Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua.

http://www.elespectador.com/noticias/elmundo/articulo-285960-eeuu-elimina-ayuda-argentina-venezuela-nicaragua-ecuador-y-boliv

[EFerrari]

1. Good. Let them pull "aid" to those countries

and then they'll have nothing to cover their meddling with. Estupidos.

[Judi Lynn]

3. It's no surprise they're too stupid to see it. You are absolutely right.

Nothing they can use for concealment now. Way to go, Republican geniuses.

[Bacchus39]

4. lots of agreement with the Republicans here

lol

[EFerrari]

5. Of course. Most people are decent and think foreign aid is foreign aid

and not political cover for American intervention.

[Bacchus39]

6. and what about you? I actually think getting rid to those listed countries is fine

not the OAS though. not that its anything important or effective, but is tool for communication.

[EFerrari]

7. They can't cut it soon enough, imo. n/t

[Bacchus39]

10. exactly how I feel about aid to those countries n/t

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[bemildred]

8. OAS can eat sh*t and die for all I care. nt

[Bacchus39]

11. I feel the same way about the governments listed n/t

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[bemildred]

12. Well, there you go, nothing special about it. nt

[rabs]

13. Couple decades ago I was in Washington

and had dinner with two, very attractive Chilean ladies who worked at the OAS. I had known one of them previously in Santiago.

I asked them just exactly what they did at the OAS.

"Nothing. We just get invited to cocktail parties and diplomatic receptions," one of them said.

I think the death knell for the OAS was its shameful inaction during and after the coup in Honduras.

With CELAC coming into being in a few months, the OAS will become even more moribund.

Btw, Honduras has not been invited to be one of the CELAC community.

edit -- grammar ---

[bemildred]

14. It's a PR/Propaganda front, that's all it's ever been too.

Not saying the idea is bad, but everybody has to play by the rules and respect other parties boundaries, especially when they disagree, or it all becomes bullshit, and as you note, that's what it is.

[Bacchus39]

17. no, not at all. I don't think its special at all. Its a reasonably good theory

but in practice its not effective other than for communication and occasional entertainment. still, I see no reason to not continue a regional organization . I don't support isolationism. I would say the same of the UN. I see nothing special about CELAC either. nothing against its existence just its usefulness.

[Judi Lynn]

2. That's right, La Loba. Show everyone your might, scare'em to death, make them tremble.

She'll just try to starve them out, as she has tried to make life a living hell all these years for national Cubans.

Dumb ####, she looks like The Picture of Dorian Gray's Tasmanian Devil. What a vile, spiteful, malicious, hateful face that beast has. Gets more like herself with every passing year, as the mask falls away.

It's a little late to try to get revenge. Everyone KNOWS how the majority of Latin America feels about people like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, anyway. That's why they're developing organizations WITHOUT the monsters.

Full speed ahead to the countries looking for freedom from the self-appointed, murderous overlords.

[naaman fletcher]

9. It's not very enlightened

To criticize people based on their physical appearance. It's quite patriarchal actually and adds nothing of substance to the conversation, although I otherwise agree with the comments here.

[Judi Lynn]

16. You would have taken a book to read during a performance by Marcel Marceau? Figures.

You repeat yourself in claiming there is nothing whatsoever to be understood from looking at a face. Oh, THAT'S a real waste of time.

Patriarchal? Odd conclusion.

Intelligent, engaged people always watch the faces of the people to whom they are speaking. They speak to their FACES, and wait for their faces to communicate in return. That happens to be the BUSINESS end of a human being in communication with human beings.

Dogs, perplexingly enough, often take shortcuts.

http://www.daymonjhartley.com.nyud.net:8090/News/klan.jpg

A Klansman doesn't want people to see his face. For good reason.

[naaman fletcher]

18. You looked at her face while she was talking?

It's one thing to read the face of someone you are talking to, it's quite another to denigrate someone's appearance based on a picture. Yes, it is patriarchal to respond to a woman's opinion by attacking her appearance. In the town you live in, I am sure you know that.

[Judi Lynn]

21. Clearly. Have watched her nasty face endlessly over the years on tv news shows.

You're insisting reading expressions, emotional posturing is superficial. Strange values you live by, no doubt about it.

[Bacchus39]

23. why would you waste your time?

incessantly observing people you purport to despise??? try being productive, learn Spanish.

[naaman fletcher]

25. Or traveling to the subject area.

Neither is going to happen.

[naaman fletcher]

24. I live by

The progressive value of not judinging people by their physical appearance, unlike you. I have an idea... Why don't you post some pictures of yourself and let us be the judge?

[Peace Patriot]

15. That's the list of countries that the Miami mafia reps in Congress met about, even before

the Diebold Pukes took office--back in late 2010. They basically declared war on these countries (Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua--I don't recall Argentina being on their hit list, then; Cristina must have done something good for Argentinians lately, that got her the honor of being hated by Ms. Smugness, above*). They seemed to be drooling with pleasure at having a Puke Congress to warmonger in.

Actions like these--those weird, meaningless "sanctions" the Obama/Clinton State Dept. put on Venezuela, or the occasional screeches from the U.S. that Bolivia or somebody "isn't cooperating" on the failed, corrupt, murderous U.S. "war on drugs"--or this--pulling the plug of USAID funding of rightwing groups--are pre-war actions, and are therefore worrisome.

But defunding the OAS? ??? That seems bizarre. It's generally a U.S. tool. That's why all of Latin America has gotten together to form CELAC, with no invitation to the U.S. or Canada to become members. It is being called the "anti-OAS." The OAS is headquartered in Washington DC. CELAC, by common consent, is headquartered in Caracas--and I can't help but think that that was a "message" to the U.S., in itself. So you'd think that the Pukes would want to bolster the OAS.

But the BIG MESSAGE, I think, came from Dilma Rouseff when Obama visited Brazil. I think she really put it to him how much they all have had it with the U.S. and its bullying and interference and coup d'etats. Someone pointed out to me the other day (it was rabs) that Obama chose to announce the bombing of Libya in Brazil--an insult and diplomatic gaffe of major proportions. There was unpleasantness all around, but I think the heart of it was Brazil's refusal to be used as a U.S. "divide and conquer" weapon against other leftist countries (the above list, and others). That was Lula da Silva's policy and Rousseff, his former chief aide, seems equally adamant about it.

Though Obama/Clinton policy on Colombia, and on the war that the Bushwhacks were trying to manufacture against Venezuela (and Ecuador), with Colombia as their "lily pad" (as Rumsfeld described U.S. client states in LatAm) (--Judy Lynn reminded me of this Rumsfeld phrase the other day), seems more...what is the word...not successful exactly, but at least less belligerent and less obviously manipulative--overall, their efforts to break up LatAm unity have failed, and U.S. transglobal corporate hopes of draining the life out of LatAm economies, once again, are probably in the dumps. Aside from Honduras, they and the Pentagon have been unable to extend their "footrpint" in LatAm and they just "lost" Peru (which elected a leftist president).

But back to the OAS: Maybe it's Honduras! That may be the clue to the Miami mafia's new targeting of the OAS. Generally, the left is now the majority so the OAS is not as manipulable. But I think it's something specific (to account for this odd bit of Congressional hostility). The OAS kicked Honduras out because of the coup (that coup clearly being one of the fondest projects of the Miami mafia and the far right) and refused to recognize the phony, U.S. State Dept.-run, martial law election. Possibly OAS involvement in the recent negotiations to let Honduras back into the OAS did not please the Miami mafia. It included Zelaya returning to the country and new action on constitutional reform. Though the OAS seemed quite useless during the coup and for a year afterward--unable to reverse it--they did vote Honduras out, and its head, Insulza, may have played an important diplomatic role in trying to restore democracy there. The Miami mafia I'm sure was dead set against the legitimate president, Zelaya, returning, even as a mere citizen. And I'm equally sure that Brazil insisted on it. And of course Zelaya would not return unless there was some agreement on constitutional reform. So, say, Insulza--after all his lameness and failures--brokered this agreement. That would put the OAS on the Miami mafia's black list.

??

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*(But maybe I just missed the war on Argentina at the Puke/mafia confab. Nestor Kirchner was certainly critically important, early on, in forming the notion of collective strength among LatAm countries, and also in repelling the World Bank/IMF loan sharks. And Cristina Fernandez has certainly continued those policies and has also been a rock--like da Silva--on LatAm unity. I don't know what she might have done recently to get the Miami mafia in a snit. Prosecuting "dirty war" criminals maybe?)

[naaman fletcher]

19. The argentina thing..

no doubt has to do with the Iran-Venezuela-Argentina rumors and accusations you can find if you google but I have not posted because they are all wild conjecture.

[flamingdem]

20. The Castro Bros are high fivin' over this heh nt

[Judi Lynn]

22. It would crack up all the departed real patriots, too, for sure. n/t

[Judi Lynn]

26. ATFA Applauds Rep. Connie Mack's Effort to Hold Argentina Accountable for Outstanding Court Judgment

ATFA Applauds Rep. Connie Mack's Effort to Hold Argentina Accountable for Outstanding Court Judgments
Thursday, Jul. 21, 2011

American Task Force Argentina

WASHINGTON, July 21, 2011 -- Foreign Affairs Committee Passes Amendment to Withhold State Department Funds from Argentina

WASHINGTON, July 21, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- American Task Force Argentina (ATFA), a coalition of 40 taxpayer, investor, educator, Latino and agriculture organizations, today commended Representative Connie Mack (R-FL) for his amendment to H.R. 2583, the Foreign Relations Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. The amendment would prohibit State Department funds from being used to benefit certain countries that actively thwart U.S. interests, covering specifically Argentina, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Bolivia. Passage of Representative Mack's amendment is a first legislative step towards holding Argentina accountable for its long-term efforts to avoid paying its debts to foreign lenders, including flouting more than 100 U.S. court judgments upholding the rights of American lenders.

"Inclusion of this amendment in the Foreign Relations Authorization Act is a serious step towards holding Argentina accountable for its outstanding debts – $3.5 billion of which are owed to U.S. creditors," said ATFA Executive Director Robert Raben. "Representative Mack has made it clear that Argentina was included in the amendment because of its refusal to honor over 100 U.S. court judgments. The Argentine government must take this amendment seriously as an important step in a sequence of legislative consequences for its failure to repay debts from its 2001 debt default."

The amendment was passed as part of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Foreign Affairs markup of H.R. 2583 - Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Year 2012. This legislation is expected to be reported out of committee today and will likely be passed as part of the State Department funding by the entire House.

"As the sponsor of the Judgment Evading Foreign States Accountability Act, H.R. 1798, Representative Mack is a leader in the U.S. Congress on the issue of Argentina's refusal to recognize its unpaid debts," said Raben. "ATFA applauds his efforts to bring attention to the affect that Argentina's bad acts have had on U.S. citizens and encourage Argentina to once again become responsible a nation in the Western Hemisphere."

More:
http://www.sunherald.com/2011/07/21/3291278/atfa-applauds-rep-connie-macks.html


http://www.postonpolitics.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mary-bono-connie-mack-picture2.jpg

Connie Mack, wife Mary Bono

[Peace Patriot]

27. Thanks for the info! I wonder if it's a Kissinger "make their economy scream" moment.

Just read a report on how well Argentina is doing (something like 8-10% economic growth this quarter), and that prosperity, of course, is due to the LEFTIST policies of Nestor Kirchner and Cristina Fernandez, and the LEFTIST trend across South America and its "south south" cooperation and trade policies. So, of course, Mack and his crime bosses would be against it. Trade they can't control on behalf of Exxon Mobil, BP, Monsanto, et al, and assorted war profiteers, is trade they are determined to destroy.

You gotta laugh at these cowardly chickenhawks and liars coming on all Bible-thumping preacher-men about debt. We've seen these villains before--during the Great Depression--and during the last decade, wherein the Bushwhacks pushed U.S. debt into the trillions and positively encouraged mindboggling bankster crimes as well as multi-million dollar government contracts that produced nothing. Then, of course, the orphans, and the sick, and the poor, and the elderly have to "pay their debts" or die like dogs on the street. They might as well be twiddling long, greasy, black mustaches and leering at the girl they've tied up on the railroad tracks.

I hope I live to see our own democracy recover from all this. It is a joy to see Latin American democracy coming into its own, at long last, and the good people winning for once.