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Tue Apr-19-11 01:02 PM Original message |
"How do we break the cycle of despair, exclusion, powerlessness and betrayal?" Ralph Nader |
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Frances
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Ralph Nader needs to step up and accept |
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Hannah Bell
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. get a grip. the despair he created my ass. throw some banksters in jail. |
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. If Nader hadn't enabled Bush, there would have BEEN no Bush presidency. Period. |
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reggie the dog
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. what in the fuck are you talking about? |
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Thu Apr-21-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
127. You're absolutely right reggie. |
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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Hannah Bell
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
68. oh baloney. |
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girl gone mad
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Tue Apr-19-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
74. Nader didn't enable Bush. |
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Wed Apr-20-11 07:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
88. Yeah, but how is he responsible for the disastrous, pro-Goldman Sachs Obama administration? |
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Wed Apr-20-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
90. Some people really buy into the RepubliCON talking point that it was Nader who got the bushes electe... |
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Wed Apr-20-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
103. It wasn't Nader |
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Wed Apr-20-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
104. Gore should have shitcanned neo-liberalism and partnered with Nader! |
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wickerwoman
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Thu Apr-21-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
126. Wow. 2002 wants its argument back! |
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Tue Apr-19-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
78. Nader caused Bush to win and then he went out and tried to do it again. |
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Wed Apr-20-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
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swilton
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Wed Apr-20-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #78 |
119. A meme perpetuated by the Democratic Party |
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applegrove
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Wed Apr-20-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Some right winger was even financially supporting Nader in the 2004 election. That is why the |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Right. Wall Street, big business and their Republican and Democratic party enablers are innocent. |
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Armstead
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Oh horseshit -- blame the messenger eh? |
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BrendaBrick
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Tue Apr-19-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. I agree. n/t |
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sabrina 1
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Nader as president would definitely have helped avoid the despair |
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reggie the dog
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. ????? |
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AnOhioan
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Tue Apr-19-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. give it up....your nader-hate has blinded you |
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Fool Count
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. If anything you should thank Nader for not letting a |
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wickerwoman
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Thu Apr-21-11 03:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
125. I don't blame Nader for anything, |
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Lorien
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. So the GOP had nothing to do with stealing the election in 2000, eh? |
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alarimer
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Tue Apr-19-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. No, blame Al Gore for being a boring candidate. |
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PassingFair
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Wed Apr-20-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Don't forget his rivetingly exciting VP Choice! n/t |
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Le Taz Hot
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Wed Apr-20-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. You guys are like |
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mmonk
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Wed Apr-20-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
107. On cue. |
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Brickbat
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. So asks the union-buster. |
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Ikonoklast
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Tue Apr-19-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Hey ifr you work 100 hours a week for Scabby Ralph, for a pittance |
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. Oh it looks like the Nader haters are in full force, I guess they are still upset because |
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. We have only ourselves to blame. We do nothing about |
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white_wolf
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Oh, I completely agree with all of that. |
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Armstead
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. It's easier to focus on Nader than the real flaws in the system |
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Lorien
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
44. We are not to blame. The wealthy elite and their corporations rig the elections |
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bluestateguy
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. Does Nader even allow his own workers to unionize? |
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Botany
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. Nader needs to publicly thank the republicans for the $ ... |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. And should Kerry and Obama also thank Republicans for the millions they donated to their campaigns? |
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Botany
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I have had the chance to meet Ralph and see up close and |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. I actually worked for the Nader campaign in California and had several opportunities to |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
56. You didn't answer the question. Should Democrats reject and/or return Republican |
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Bluebear
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Wed Apr-20-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
81. :crickets: |
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AnOhioan
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Tue Apr-19-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. and guess what...turns out he was right |
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Botany
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Tue Apr-19-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. sure Al Gore is just like George W Bush |
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AnOhioan
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. yeah,,such a huge difference between Dems and Repubs |
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Scurrilous
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. @#$% Ralph Nader. n/t |
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Davis_X_Machina
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
11. Betrayal.. |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Do you have an opinion on the article? |
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Armstead
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Issues don't count |
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Lorien
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. Yep, it's all about the TEAM dammit! You're either ON THE TEAM, or you're the enemy! |
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Davis_X_Machina
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus. Good legal doctrine. n/t |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. Translation: false in one, false in everything |
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SidDithers
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. Fuck Ralph Nader...nt |
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Lorien
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. Predictable. nt |
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Union Scribe
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Tue Apr-19-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
77. Lol |
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Armstead
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. A CHALLENGE -- PRETEND JOE BLOW WROTE THIS, AND THEN CRITIQUE IT |
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Donnachaidh
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. +10000! |
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TheKentuckian
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. It is a regressive thang |
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leftstreet
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. +1 |
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. They've been taught by the MSM and organizational Democrats. The Democratic Party |
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DevonRex
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
24. Fuck Nader. Nt |
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Dappleganger
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Here's a gold star for originality. |
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bahrbearian
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Tue Apr-19-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
27. K&R for Nader and the Truth |
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Tue Apr-19-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
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Frances
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Tue Apr-19-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. Nader could have made a real contribution to |
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Snotcicles
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Tue Apr-19-11 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
34. Naderthers, nt |
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Autumn
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Tue Apr-19-11 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm waiting with Ralph, |
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MrScorpio
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
40. What is he doing to solve those problems BETWEEN elections? |
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Armstead
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. A whole hell of a lot for 30 years |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. What have you been doing? |
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MrScorpio
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Well, I haven't been trying to glean votes from the Democratic caucus... |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. So nothing then. I expected as much. |
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MrScorpio
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I'll make you a deal... |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Neither Nader nor I expected to get to White House. |
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MrScorpio
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. And he did this, as everyone knows, in a way that made the Democrats weaker, right? |
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Tue Apr-19-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. The Green Party is a distinct poliitcal party. It wasn't formed to make any other party weaker but |
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MrScorpio
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Tue Apr-19-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. So, it's "Democrats be damned"? |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Apr-20-11 01:16 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. What's with the quotes? Nothing that you quoted is anything that I said. |
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MrScorpio
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Wed Apr-20-11 06:24 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I was paraphrasing |
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Wed Apr-20-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #73 |
86. The Democrats.. |
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Wed Apr-20-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
114. +1 eom |
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chervilant
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Thu Apr-21-11 03:11 AM Response to Reply #86 |
123. + A Gazillion + 50 gazillion times infinity n/t |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Apr-19-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Do you think we should only have two political parties in the United States? |
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MrScorpio
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Tue Apr-19-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. The Left needs to expand its scope and appeal... |
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Armstead
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Wed Apr-20-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
117. How about the Democrats actually try that? |
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Bobbie Jo
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #72 |
96. Perhaps Democratic Underground isn't the place to promote your third party agenda. |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. A lot! Is there an election for President this year .... or was there one last year, or in 2009? |
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Wed Apr-20-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
93. We are discussing an article he wrote, what have you done? |
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Tue Apr-19-11 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
49. Funny you should ask, Ralph..... n/t |
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
51. Ralph Nader is a carnival huckster and many fools have been taken in |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Yes, yes. And Michael Moore is a fat hypocrite and Cindy Sheehan is an attention whore... |
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Wrongo...If that were the case he would have played it safe and remained a safe liberal icon |
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ReggieVeggie
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. what is he hucking? |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Apr-19-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
57. Thank you for posting this. And thank you for continuing to post provocative material |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. It should provoke intelligent and thoughtful debate and discussion. |
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chervilant
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Thu Apr-21-11 03:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
124. True |
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kenny blankenship
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Tue Apr-19-11 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
66. First off: stop pretending you have a democracy - or a democratic republic |
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Mnemosyne
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Tue Apr-19-11 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
70. K&R for truth. n/t |
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Wed Apr-20-11 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
82. Ralph is correct |
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Wed Apr-20-11 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
85. Deleted message |
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Wed Apr-20-11 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
89. So, the union buster, bought and paid for Repuke whore now sounds the clarion call? |
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Wed Apr-20-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Can you find any unions or union officials who have called him a union buster? |
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Wed Apr-20-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Even better, I have a worker and union organizer who was fired for organizing. |
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. You might want to read before you post links |
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msanthrope
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I read the link--an endorsement of him over C/D only makes the anti-union stuff more credible. |
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I have no problem with the source -- But the purpose of the article was not... |
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. If you have no problem with the source, then you must agree with the later revelations of union |
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Please see my PS above -- I added it afterwards, so you might not have seen it |
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Wed Apr-20-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. You'e proved me correct--you have no dispute with the source. n/t |
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Wed Apr-20-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Not the source -- Just how you used it |
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msanthrope
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Wed Apr-20-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Right. Labor policy is a 'personal' flaw. n/t |
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Armstead
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Wed Apr-20-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Whatever....Yeah let's just listen to Harold Ford, Robert Rubin and all of the other.... |
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Wed Apr-20-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
116. This is total BULLSHIT!! |
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Wed Apr-20-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #89 |
113. Wow, you sound like that loon John Kyl. nt |
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Wed Apr-20-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
91. k&r |
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
95. K&R for truth... haters will hate - that's what they do |
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Wed Apr-20-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
101. Nader's fantasies are edging into his writings, IMO. |
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Wed Apr-20-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. Why the ambiquity? Why don't you take a position instead |
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Wed Apr-20-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
105. Gore should have shitcanned neo-liberalism and partnered with Nader! |
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Better Believe It
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Wed Apr-20-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. And what a pick for V-P .... Joseph Leiberman! |
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Wed Apr-20-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Heck, if I was Gore and had an epiphany from listening to Nader |
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Wed Apr-20-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
118. tossing matches |
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Better Believe It
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Wed Apr-20-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. The workers at Republic Window won. That's the bottom line. |
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Wed Apr-20-11 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
122. Late K/R -- a lot of people are waiting for that "spark" -- !! Those who have stolen the country ... |
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