Reply #46: AZOM: anti-zionist occupied mind [View All]

[jplawne]

Afghanistan attacked the US-you are surprised?: sovereign nations are responsible for attacks that emanate from their borders. Just because a citizen from another country commits a crime does not give a nation the right to retaliate. It depends on the actual reaction of the country from where this person came. Al Qaeda was a proxy army with a command structure who was sheltered, allied and protected by the government of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda attacked the US numerous times over many years and the Afghan government refused to take any action against this proxy army. These things are considered acts of war for a simple reason. To avoid nations getting away attacking others by using unofficial armed forces. It is surprising that you think Afghanistan, as a sovereign nation responsible for activities inside its borders, did not attack the US.

You are right, I do no ‘know’ that Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb, I just suspect they do by their attempts to enrich weapons grade plutonium and not comply with the non-proliferation treaty. Iran will play along, secure all the technology they need and then simply withdraw from the treaty or become non-compliant. This was the tactic used by North Korea. Again, more amazement that as right wing Mullahs oppresses their people we feel comfortable projecting the best of intentions on the Iranian government.

Again the innuendos and baseless accusations; Is there any standard of debate anymore. Israel is our ally because we gave them ‘100 of billions of dollars’ (a rather broad number, but I understand fact finding is not your strong suit). Perhaps we provide them loans and aid BECAUSE they are our ally. That cause and effect thing again. I could not say for sure, but either can you. The US is hostile towards Syria on behalf of Sharon. Let’s make this real: thousands of Administration, elected, Defence, CIA and State Department officials and the US military stance with Syria is because they are somehow controlled by Israel. This is what you really mean. I would think you might have some facts to back up this tremendous ‘Enquiring Minds Want to Know’ conspiracy. Belief and fact are not the same thing. I wonder how it is that other countries in the world get into conflicts and have all sought of problems without Jews being the provocateurs. Or perhaps they are…

I was impressed already but no we get to the meat of your twisted logic. The war in Iraq, changes in civil liberties, our fiscal health is because of some ‘mysterious bond’ with Israel. Rather sweeping statement indicting thousands, maybe millions of people as acting on behalf of Israel. I am surprised you even pay taxes because that would make you an agent of Israel. Just above you said that Israel was our ally because we paid hem, now it is because there is some 'in the shadows secret handshake and exchange of blood oaths.' And then the irrelevant juxtaposition of unrelated issues to support your point: we are completely dependent on foreigners for oil and support of fiscal deficits. So this would put us in the company of just about most of the nations on the planet who import oil and finance their debt on the world market. Are they in a death spiral too? I consider all this abstract opinions and ideology. Not something one can really debate since ideology is based in unproven theory not reality.

You argument about Jewish control of both Republicans and Democrats, which prevents ‘even-handed’ debate, is not really supported by paraphrasing someone who is less than ‘even-handed’ with his abject, bias, one-side hatred of Israel and any Jews not against Israel. Again no facts; just the usual Jews donate money— conceptual leap,-- they control the government—I know because they don’t agree with me. Let’s look at Dean to cite one more tiresome specific example. “Dean had to make peace with pro Israeli forces.” On what do you base your assessment that Dean had to cave into these mysterious forces? How do you know he did not simply change his mind like he has before using facts and logic provided by various people. Me, I do not know how he decides his policies, and either do you. This is not only issue about Israel. It is an issue about critical thinking and anaylsis. Hold whatever opinions you wants, but if you going to enter in debate use facts and cohesive arguments. When you hear speakers or read websites that are so throughly bias against a positon, don't you think perhaps I am not getting a fair anaylsis of the situation. Why does not the author or speaker provide me the other side as well so I can do some of my own evaluation. That my friend is the difference between propaganda and journalism and fairness.

I know nothing about Jerry Bankfort, but just read a few articles and he is fairly typical. He is not an objective observer searching for a way towards peace, but is so thoroughly against the existence of Israel or anyone expressing any support for Israel that he twists every word and action by using inflammatory, loaded words. Every Israeli interest was a demand or an attack, every position by AIPAC was a commandment to legislatures, and every act by Congress was an act in name of Israel’s role to create a greater Israel through its proxy the Zionist Occupied government. Hence his cleaver speech title: Washington: Israel’s Most Important Occupied Territory. Among groups of administration officials, elected official, and media he calls out all the Jews and lumps the entire spectrum of Jewish political opinion into one category of a pro-Zionist lobby. Every speech starts off with the ‘secret must be told’ to create this phoney sense of oppression and fear in everything he writes. Every action against Palestinians is motivated out of nothing else other than racism. He was against the road map because it did not promise everything he thinks Palestinians should get. So he is not actually interested in a negotiated peace deal by and between Israelis and the Palestinians. He is simply pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli. He portrays pro-Israeli’s as seeing any opposition as acts by enemies of Jews. Every time the US promotes something in line with Israeli opinion, US policy has been hijacked. He is quoted in total all over the really racist right wing and left wing websites that promote the ZOG idea, because he so thoroughly hates of Jews (which he is one) and Israel that he is acceptable by racists on both sides of the spectrum. He provides almost no facts or citings for the supposed hijackings and secret meetings. It is just pure propaganda strung together with simple facets. Here is one example of his thinking: every president who was not completely pro-Israel was a one timer (Ford, Carter, Bush Snr). Get it? Ford, who was not elected to the administration lost not because of the impeachment, Carter not because of the stagnation, malaise and Iran, and Bush because of the recession and Ross Perot splitting the vote, but because of Jewish vote and money. Not one single fact that a few percentage points change in the Jewish vote or decrease in money donated from Jews at all had an impact. I sincerely hope none of you go ah-ha when you read things like this, because it is sick any everyhting I understand intellecual liberalism to be