Reply #242: Excellent arguments, but I find your conclusion simplistic! [View All]

[dxstone]

Your arguments are well-framed, but sidestep the issue...
First, I didn't SAY you guys are the enemy. MOST of us realize that DUers are by and large of the more positive variety of christianity, more thoughtful and caring generally...
Or wait a minute... ARE you? My posts challenged christians to ease up on the defensiveness and perhaps discuss what can be done about some of these very real concens of growing fundamentalism and politicization and intolerance for human diversity...
And AS USUAL, you tell me that YOUR church works "really hard on those issues"... so I guess you're saying you're already doing what can be done...
I'm not saying you're not; you and your church could be examples of those true rarities; you're obviously very thoughtful about it all at least, and I liked many of the things you said about the old books and the true spirit of Christian philosophy...
I guess some of us are thinking, why don't more of you guys stand up in their churches and say something? When they used the sermons to stump for votes for President Pinhead, were any of you paying attention? Did anyone get up and say THIS IS WRONG!, did anyone threaten to quit if the church didn't get back to acting like a church, not a pac? Do any of you ever call up the good reverend later in the day after he'd been callin' hellfire and brimstone down on the homosexual sinners who caused 9/11 and say, Hey, knock that shit off! My BROTHER is transsexual; my SISTER is gay! These are real people, not animals! Even if we don't approve, shouldn't we be preaching tolerance like Jesus did? What the hell is wrong with my church???
Do you guys EVER do stuff like that?
Hard to believe you do.
The christian religion in particular goes to a lot of effort to tell their 'flocks' over and over that they are dumb blind sheep who can't possibly make any decisions about complex issues themselves; they need the constant guidance of special guys in holy hats to correct their errant instincts and soft-hearted sympathies.
To speak up against, or even question any aspect of your christian church, would simply be unchristian...
Which makes it SOOOO easy for men of evil will and intent to manipulate such a large segment of the populace toward senseless wars, now as ever before...
It's SUPPOSED to be all about love... but somehow it always ends up being all about fighting and fighting and more fighting.
Which is why christians don't want to talk about this.
Cuz the FIRST rule of Fight Club is: You don't talk about Fight Club.
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ps: I also NEVER said that gay people are somehow in need of forgiveness... though MOST sects of organized christianity do, at least the more compassionate ones, anyway...