Reply #321: That's not by accident, either. [View All]

[Warren DeMontague]

People are much easier to control when they're terrified of losing their job, their health care, their home, etc. etc.

As far as the 12 step thing- with regards to alcoholism and other forms of addiction, it works for some people, for many others -particularly atheists- it doesn't.. (which is why I think government mandated treatment has to make secular alternatives available to people as well)... But the people I know who are engaged successfully in it mostly do share traits of constant self-examination and a rigorous desire, at least to call themselves on their own bullshit. Can you imagine anyone in the Bush administration, much less the shrub himself, displaying those traits?