Reply #443: Why is secrecy the ONLY hope for gays? [View All]

[scottxyz]

You say: no gay is safe from sufferring the reprecusions of bigotry because of their sexuality unless the subject is totally off the table.

I guess that means black people are doomed to eternal inequality. It's going to be pretty hard for them to be in closet.

A lot of people in this country are now pretty ok with homosexuality. Which means there isn't a whole lot of likelihood of "backsplatter" against Dreier if he were simply outed as being gay. Because at this point there are plenty of gays in Congress, and there's been no backsplatter against them.

But as an anti-gay gay, Dreier might lose people's respect. This shows that the real issue here is not Dreier's supposed homosexuality - because if he were to come out or be outed and say "Hey I'm gay and that's ok" then probably everyone would also be cool with that.

You're really being overdramatic with your proclamations that "no man is free unless all men are free". It sounds like you're saying that we have to protect the poor gay people and let them stay in the closet because if they're out they'll be subject to bigotry. Hardly a progressive position.

And Phelps is into outing any ole gay just becasue they're gay. In fact, Phelps probably would NOT out a homophobic homosexual - that's probably the kind that Phelps likes. The kind of homosexual Phelps doesn't like is the kind who's comfortable being gay. I'm sure Phelps totally agrees with you that only way for gays to be totally safe is to stay in the closet.

If Dreier is gay and passing anti-gay laws, then that's just the kind of gay Phelps probably likes. And it's just the kind of gay we don't like. So your comparison of us with Phelps is really off the mark. You're more like Phelps than we are. We say come on out, the water's fine. You say if you're out then you won't be safe from suffering. Phelps outs plain ole homosexuals but leaves homophobic homosexuals alone. We out homophobic homosexuals and leave plain ole homosexuals alone.

I keep coming back to your statement that "no gay is safe from sufferring the reprecusions of bigotry because of their sexuality unless the subject is totally off the table." I really can't get over how ignorant that sounds. If that was the attitude of gay people, they'd all still be in the closet and we'd still be in the dark ages. The progress gays have made sure didn't come from people with attitudes like yours, who thought the only safety was in the closet.