Reply #86: People [View All]

[undergroundpanther]

Sure some people don't give a shit,until it hurts them,themself. There will always be socilized sociopaths in our societies ,until as a culture we stop admiring them and aping thewm and putting them into positions of power and buying into thier charisma and seeking thier symbolic power...Why do we admire bullies? Is it because our social system in iit's struggle against the human condition on some level traumatizes the human spirit.And is it this"sick self" inside people that urges people to identify with a bully,especially one who is the right combinsation of dominant threat and illusion of security?
We can do the the world's out to get us,or the world it what you make it routine,but it does NOTHING to stop the immediate suffering.
As for symbols,what in us makes us cling to symbolic leaders?
Why can't people see through the show and refuse to be seduced by symbols? Why can't people seperate the symbol from the person,from the policy?


Also one thing about Dean and Clark...

You got the Doctor and the General.

Fight or heal.

You got the choice of a non-violent father general to defend the adult- child public from republican predation while they are scared of swarthy people gays and terrists..or You got the Doctor to help the adult child public,clean thier wounds and heal after the bully bush boys have beaten the stuffings out of this country and taken all our lunch money.
Talk about symbols,These are the symbols the dems offer. Peaceful General and Doctor.This is why allegedly only Dean and Clark seem to get the most attention.

Bush and his chronies are a bully cabal beating up the nation and we take it.Are we betting that the nation can only maintain a stiff upper lip for so long? Will they will turn left and seek shelter? Will they seek shelter behind the leg of another"strongman" father willing to fight the bushes? Or will they seek shelter in a nurturing man who will help them recover from the damages from the abuse of bush,and get them to kiss and make up with government,by presenting the public with a few"gifts" (natl.heathcare ect.),making all appear happy on the surface until the cycle begins anew and it comes to blows.
Will they be able to STEP outside this ages old abusive dynamic in societies ,symboliized by thier leaders time and time again and vote thier consience and find thier own interests and become the strong leader inside themself?

The bottom line to me is how bad does Bush's policies hurt john Q public personally? Does it hurt him enough to step outside his comfort zones and the familiar? How long will he go on being entranced by the strong daddy symbol until he realizes this symbolic parent in government currently is abusing the crap outta him?
How much pain is he willing to endure because he wants to feel secure or tough in the face of the"other" and get rid of his own guilts?(and why do we do this anyway?) And how long do we who have grown more psychologically have to wait until the "masses" work out thier psychological issues,and start voting for policies,not personalities or symbols,when alot of the population still does everything in thier power to avoid looking at themselves and using thier own autonomous power to effect changes.
It isn't because some people are stupid,this shit happens over and over with the Right wing,it's because people are emotionally messed up and traumatized to the point the will identify thier own interests with those who are social exploiters and give them power,entranced by the symbol as they avoid the reality of what's happening that is too painful to look at.

Denial it is said is a kind of dissociation. And in MHO, Our entire culture is so fragmented ,compartmentalized ,avoidant and symbol ridden it is no suprize to me people blithely vote for symbolic leaders to representv them instead of knowing thier own interests and representing it themselves for themselves as in a government for and by the people.Society is messed up because a large population of people in it are messed up.It doesen't matter if they see how messed up they are or not.It seems like our culture is a reflection of our collective mass mental illnesses,and our politics is a way for us to symbolize what is going on inside us,like forming a 'parental'symbolic awareness mirror of various functions, ego and shadow..of an entire populace.

If you can psychologically heal individual people for real.People might not be so profitable.They might ask alot of sticky questions of these "leaders" and demand more out of them.They might feel happiness instead of being content to persue it or think the mall holds the answer anymore.They might become unaddicted. They might not want to work all the time or conform to what 'society' wants,and society might stop insisting on conformity.They might not want what 'leaders' want.They might just not participate in thier own exploitation.They might value other things than what they are taught to value nowadays.They might accept thier kids as autonomous individuals in need of support and guidance instead of mini me's.People might prefer a different way to live than what we have now and would set about changing for thier own interests,and other people might like thier ideas and society as we know it would change from the inside out.
For some other people it's in THIER selfish interest that the populace stay sick in the head as individuals on some level (and raise thier kids in a sick way)because these 'symbolic' leaders ,and exploiters are the ones who benifiet most from a sick culture that never grows up,becomes self actualized and transcends thier own sick limitations on thier own perceptions to some extent.

How willing are the masses of people that make up our culture willing to face themselves,accept themselves,know themselves ,heal themselves, quit running away, and grow up,psychologically,spiritually or relationally is the question .

When I hear people make fun of Kucunich's idea of a department of peace I can't help buy see how people are unwilling to learn conflict resolution and heal this nations wounds by healing thier own,I see people who'd rather keep the status quo and do the same old thing that doesen't work and hasen't worked rather than try something new that might actually heal this culture by healing the sick individuals within it who are so convinced of thier"normalicy as if normal means anything of value.