Reply #93: Be Free [View All]

[undergroundpanther]

I think you got the gist of my post,almost.
When I was writing the stuff about Dean and Clark as "The peaceful General"who fights the badguys and "The Doctor who heals the John Q.public causalties of the Bush administration.." and that "Strong Father figure" stuff was because I was referring to an unconsious social symbolic perception working on our society that alot of people have inside thier minds that confuse them concerning what they think they want from these 'leaders'they elect.

It's an unconsious irrationale going on in our society,lurking underneath the consiousness and the obvious postures and talk of politics..It's a symbol -language of the unconsious.And There are certain symbols being embodied by certain people with thier eyes set on the white house.There is also another symbol image bush is posing into to stay in power.Certain segments of the population crave a certain image out of leaders.If the leader fails to meet that unconsious expectation,they won't get the voter support en masses.This symbol -language has very little to do with what a leader says or does politically in real life ,until the hardships of real life done by a 'leader'eclipses the image that got him elected and a new symbolic leader is sought.
To beat bush,a dem has to be a better image of a father figure (without admitting it to anyone)than bush is and be ready to fill a symbolic need the people have than he'll"click" with the voters..Or the rival Dem can play the role of the father to the people that bush can't.This will be more difficult,unless Bush loses his "strong" appeal to the people.One way this happens is because he isn't listening to thier unconsious messages so his image isn't convincing anymore..


I myself have a very hard time conveying my inner observations to people online with type alone.It's not thier fault they don't understand me,and it's not all my fault they don't either,
It's the damn limits of online text that makes it so hard I guess.It's not so much that my concepts are nonsensical,when I speak it to people they understand it.When I demonstrate it,the get it and run with it..It's just that in type it's so very hard for me to wrap understandable words around these complex dynamics.What I see going on with people isn't easy to put in a simple to the point short post,because the topic itself is fluid,dynamic and shifting with many angles and points.

What I'm attempting to write about is an unconsious meta-process/dynamic interaction going on here..Alot of people I talk to don't consiously know how to consider these kinds of unconsious social processes in individuals as something that can shape societies opinions of it's leaders.
There is a mental block with people that sometimes interferes with understanding the dynamics of political issues. When it comes to really understanding why people do stuff that doesen't make sense politically,like why on Earth would working class people vote Bush when Bush screws them up so bad.

I suspect there must be something else going on here..because people are not THAT stupid,there is self interest and it's being thwarted by something deeper than the surface.I suspect it's a symbolic language that has a pre-consious appeal that goes beyond surface logic and into they workings of unconsious symbol and archetypes that bush is exploiting in people.To stop Bush one would be wise to look into this symbolic motivation in people and the social dynamics of it..

Language and words.. for all thier blessings it is such a fuckin'headache for me to convery things sometimes.Words are crappy tools for converying an experince to someone else because an experince is so complex..but words are all we got.