Reply #366: As a woman who is very pro-choice I say ABSOLUTELY [View All]

[Madrone]

Men should ABSOLUTELY have a say in decisions concerning their child.

I think the whole "delicate women risking certain death" argument is complete and total bullshit. Sure, there are situations where this could be a reality, but come ON - we women are tough. In most cases pregnancy is NOT life-threatening. Sure, maybe a little uncomfortable, and morning-sickness is no great thing - but jesus. :eyes: The chances of risking certain death are very slim, and trying to use that as an argument makes you look ridiculous. What it shows is that you are advocating selfish petulance and bitchiness for the sake of having YOUR WAY.

The "men have a choice to not have SEX" argument is also bs. Women are equally responsible. EQUALLY. Don't want kids, don't want to risk pregnancy, don't open your legs for any Tom's Harry Dick that tells you you have nice eyes. In fact, since the main argument seems to be men are horny bastards with no self-control and who cannot be relied upon to take precautions I'd say that leaves even MORE responsiblity on the woman to keep her legs shut.

Rape. Another non-argument. TOTALLY different situation and totally different circumstances. No one is advocating a woman having a heart to heart with her rapist to determine whether he wants to co-parent a child. :eyes:

Child support / visitation. Again - crappy argument. True, they are two seperate issues and a man that pays no support can still see his children if he wants to. Should children be forced to pay for their father's financial irresponsibility even MORE by being denied a relationship with him? The fact is that there are many situations in the reverse - men that pay support and CAN'T see their kids, no matter how much they want to. Men with exes that take the children without their consent and move them across country. Women that play games and instead of focusing on what is best for their CHILDREN focus on their own selfish desires and vindictiveness and deny visitation. It happens more often than you think! And please - if you think it is a fraction as easy for a man to receive support from a woman when he has full custody you obviously know nothing about the way the real world in the Family Courts works.

My husband/boyfriend/one night stand can't tell ME what to do with MY BODY. What this says to me is that hey - if your husband or boyfriend wants to start boinking every open hole from here to Timbucktoo, hey, it's HIS BODY. Who are YOU to tell HIM what to do with HIS body? Does noone love and respect their partners any more? If you can't honestly take your loved one's feelings and opinions into consideration stay single and, as has been mentioned numerous times to the men on the board (here I am forcing equality down your collective throats again) DONT HAVE SEX.

I don't have the answers to solving these issues - and I don't believe forced childbirth by legislation IS an answer. I do believe that if (some)women weren't selfish little petulant BRATS they could put aside their iwantiwantIWANT tantrums and act like adults who took their partners opinions and feelings into consideration. Just as they expect MEN to do for them. I'd have a great deal more respect for a woman who considered continuing a pregnancy she didn't want and relinquished all rights and responsibilites to the father who DID want it than I do for women who cut the man out of the equation completely and did what SHE wanted in a tantrum.

I guess my point is that while I don't want women to be legislated to give their partners a "choice" in what they do with their bodies, I have hope that most women would be enlightened enough, kind enough, and repsonsible enough to do it ANYWAY. Judging from the posts on this thread I'd say I wonder if that will happen.

Equality. Personal responsibilty. It's our choice, ladies. We want it, or we don't. If we DON'T (and I certainly don't fall into that category) then we may as well roll back to the 18th century. If we DO we need to grow up and start acting like it. You can't have it both ways.