Reply #7: France & Germany [View All]

[sandnsea]

Germany is very much an anti-war country, I think passivism is either in their constitution or simply an engrained cultural phenomena since WWII or both. But I don't think they have a vote on the security council anyway.

France did not say they would never go for a military solution, they said repeatedly they would as a true last resort. It would certainly have been very difficult to get that vote, but Bush didn't even try. In any event, had Bush presented truthful intelligence and worked honestly with the inspectors, France's position would have at least looked less and less reasonable over time. And he continues to be an obstinant ass and won't let UN inspectors in or cooperate with any country. I've even heard a few Republican operatives continue to disparage France, Germany & Russia while supposedly trying to get UN cooperation. It is really a disaster. And there really was no simple solution to Iraq and this war vote. If they hadn't done something, people would be griping about the sanctions and the no-fly zone and the suffering of the Iraqis. In fact, some people actually do both. AND say Iraq couldn't get weapons because of the sanctions that they gripe about hurting the Iraqis, all at the sme time. Kind of bizarre in my mind.