Reply #29: Your response is typical of appeals to second and third hand sources. [View All]

[NNadir]

Your links refer nebulously to "physicists and geologists" like all links of these types, but they are not first hand literature by any stretch.

They are nonsense.

I read the primary scientific literature and that is a very different game. There's no wild eyed panic there, or dire scenarios put together by journalists. There's something very different, data and analysis.

As for scale, I suspect you are ignoring that I played a role in bring the word exajoule into the forum as common parlance.

Recently you told me that when I said "nuclear energy," I "lost" you. I got this very, very, very, very dubious comment:

I have read that DME can be made from natural gas, coal or biomass. But if you suggesting we make it with nuclear power, then you argument is lost on me. And as all should know, natural gas production has peaked in the US. That would again, that it would have to be made overseas where natural gas is plentiful. Coal is another finite resources too..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=52726#52941

Your attitude, which is more of the same conservative claptrap that "nothing can be changed" and "things must always be as they are now or everyone must die," can be summed up succinctly like this, as I see it:

1. We're all going to die when we run out of natural gas and oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Nuclear power is too dangerous.

This is complete and total nonsense.

The world needs 400 to 500 exajoules of energy per year at least until its population is reduced to sustainable levels. There are many ways of achieving this, including the tried and true conservation, renewables (which can provide some coverage) and most importantly, where issues of scale are concerned, nuclear power. I note that 5000 nuclear reactors could provide all of the world's energy in a much cleaner, safer and more efficient manner than is now used while idiots spew oil and gas into our atmosphere with no regard for the future. This technology has been operating on an exajoule scale for decades and it is readily scalable.

Even your hero Kunstler writes admiringly of France where he notes the lights will stay on while (he claims) the West Coast of the United States is raided by Chinese pirates. (He writes a good science fiction yarn.

Here is one scenario, drawn up by the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory scientists not journalists showing one possible energy flow for the United States:



This is just one such flow chart offered by the LLL team, but its fun because it shows the oil about which you are so hysterical has producing fewer exajoules than wind, solar, nuclear.

I think it is realistic, and of course the people who have composed this chart are primary scientists, not journalists and writers.

In fact, the business of energy prediction as practiced by the IPCC and by groups like LLL do not produce predictions but instead produce scenarios which act as guidance, not soothsaying.

The LLL team has comprised 12 scenarios for the (dubious) "hydrogen economy" which are linked here:

http://eed.llnl.gov/flow/pdf/ucrlTR204891.pdf

I don't like any scenario which has any fossil fuels in it. In the flow chart I have linked here, I would replace all of the coal immediately with nuclear power.

This has been done is some places, notably France, where they use no coal except to make steel. This is how it should be.

I have already demonstrated that 120 nuclear reactors could fuel (easily) 100M cars, if we want cars, which we probably don't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x47795

You are filled with panic, but it's the worst kind of panic, panic based on nonsense. Like most panic filled people you are relying wholly on a series of circular references from people who agree with your argument (and panic) and you are notably devoid of a sense of what is contained in the primary literature.

Here are some titles from the current issue of the primary scientific journal Energy and Fuels, in which I have edited out all titles that have any thing to do with oil, but have included some about the Fischer-Tropsch chemistry. (I do this with my usual caveat that I object to Fischer-Tropsch chemistry when the starting material is coal). I read this journal constantly, which is why I know so much more than you do. I'm sure, reading your posts, that you have never cracked these pages Here are some titles, and this for just one month's of reports:

Promotional Effects of Al2O3 Addition to Co/SiO2 Catalysts for Fischer-Tropsch Synthesis


Hydrogen Production by Gasification of Cellulose over Ni Catalysts Supported on Zeolites

Distillate Production by Oligomerization of Fischer-Tropsch Olefins over Solid Phosphoric Acid

Product Identification and Distribution from Hydrothermal Conversion of Walnut Shells

A New Catalyst System for High-Temperature Solar Reforming of Methane

Performance and Emissions of Direct Injection Diesel Engine Fueled with Diesel Fuel Containing Dissolved Methane

Experimental Investigation of Ash Deposit Shedding in a Straw-Fired Boiler

The Fate of Trace Elements during the Co-Combustion of Wood-Bark with Waste

Prediction of the Autoignition Delay Time of Producer Gas from Biomass Gasification

Combustion Characteristics of a Direct-Injection Engine Fueled with Natural Gas-Hydrogen Mixtures

Experimental Study of NOReduction through Reburning of Biogas

Partition of Heavy and Alkali Metals during Sewage Sludge Incineration

An Investigation of the Reactivity of Chars Formed in Fluidized-Bed Gasifiers: Equipment Development and Initial Tests

Material Balance and Energy Consumption for CO2 Recovery from Moist Flue Gas Employing K2CO3-on-Activated Carbon and Its Evaluation for Practical Adaptation

A Three-Dimensional, Multicomponent, Two-Phase Model for a Proton Exchange Membrane Fuel Cell with Straight Channels

Production of COx-Free Hydrogen from Biomass and NaOH Mixture: Effect of Catalysts

Swelling of Nitrile Rubber by Selected Aromatics Blended in a Synthetic Jet Fuel

Removal of C2H4 from a CO2 Stream by Adsorption: A Study in Combination of ab Initio Calculation and Experimental Approach

Comparison of the Fluorescence Behavior of a Biocrude Oil and Crude Petroleum Oils
A. K. Sarma and A. G. Ryder
pp 783 - 785; (Article) DOI: 10.1021/ef050294f

Abstract Full: HTML / PDF (230K)


Evaluation of the Influence of Stainless Steel and Copper on the Aging Process of Bio-Oil
M. Garcìa-Pèrez, A. Chaala, H. Pakdel, D. Kretschmer, D. Rodrigue, and C. Roy
pp 786 - 795; (Article) DOI: 10.1021/ef050344g

Abstract Full: HTML / PDF (621K)


The Effects of Ca-Based Sorbents on Sulfur Retention in Bottom Ash from Grate-Fired Annual Biomass
Todd Lang, Peter Arendt Jensen, and Jacob Nygaard Knudsen
pp 796 - 806; (Article) DOI: 10.1021/ef050243i

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Effects of Crystallinity on Dilute Acid Hydrolysis of Cellulose by Cellulose Ball-Milling Study
Haibo Zhao, Ja Hun Kwak, Yong Wang, James A. Franz, John M. White, and Johnathan E. Holladay
pp 807 - 811; (Article) DOI: 10.1021/ef050319a

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Continuous Production of Biodiesel via Transesterification from Vegetable Oils in Supercritical Methanol
Kunchana Bunyakiat, Sukunya Makmee, Ruengwit Sawangkeaw, and Somkiat Ngamprasertsith
pp 812 - 817; (Article) DOI: 10.1021/ef050329b

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Bed Agglomeration Characteristics of Wood-Derived Fuels in FBC
Maria Zevenhoven-Onderwater, Marcus Öhman, Bengt-Johan Skrifvars, Rainer Backman, Anders Nordin, and Mikko Hupa
pp 818 - 824; (Article) DOI: 10.1021/ef05034

I submit that you don't know what you are talking about.