Reply #30: Yeah, but I suspect nothing would make you happy... [View All]

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because his original article tapped into some serious aspects of anti-semitism that have been used to denigrate and negatively differentiate Jewish people for ages, and when he was called on it he issued an "apology" that centered around confirming his beliefs while merely admitting that they didn't apply to ALL Jews.

Hold on a minute. You've been insisting that something isn't bigotry unless whoever says it applies it to ALL in a group, but now yr insisting there's a different set of rules when it comes to bigotry against different groups? It's hard to keep up! ;)

You think if someone said Israel was the biggest player in a culture of violence that'd be bigoted. But when similar sweeping statements are made about Arab states, that's not bigoted. How does that work?

Shakti: It would be. I've yet to see anything similar leveled at any Arab state on this forum.

Yep, that really doesn't surprise me that you'd say that. After all, weren't you saying you haven't seen anything of a bigoted nature in the I/P forum aimed at Arabs or Muslims?


Okay Violet, the Holocaust was not the result of a single individual and his warped mind who managed to convince "his followers" into doing something that was "really, just DREADFUL!" It was the culmination of centuries of anti-semitism whereby the Jews were systematically exterminated in a continent-wide purge involving millions of like-minded individuals working in concert. It was not the result of a single warped mind but of millions of people who were like-minded enough to participate enthusiastically. It wasn't an accident of some one person's "warped mind," and "his followers" and to say so is to minimize the causes and long held xenophobia that made something as hideous as the Holocaust possible.

Sorry, but just because you disagree with Hitler's pivotal role in the Holocaust doesn't mean you can sit there and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of diminishing the Holocaust. His description of Hitler and his warped mind is much more realistic than the thing about millions of like-minded individuals working in concert and making out the Holocaust was really nothing more than another pogrom but on a much larger scale. Why do you think the Nazi leadership kept the Final Solution a secret (not a very well kept one towards the end) from the German population? And I think it's ignorant for anyone to take offense at a statement that Hitler and his warped mind convinced his followers into doing something dreadful, because without Hitler and that warped mind of his, the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.

Yes the Jews expect the entire fucking world to "regret" what happened because the entire world was complicit... not just a single dude with his warped brain and some unnamed followers.

That Gandhi doesn't see this is unsurprising, but I am shocked at your inability to grasp this without having it explained, Violet.

It's because what yr saying is irrational (WTF about the ENTIRE world being complicit in the Holocaust?? Nothing like a bit of sweeping over-exaggeration, hey?). I'll be a bit blunt here. I don't need any explanations from anyone who is just a little bit inconsistant when it comes to seeing bigotry depending on what group it's aimed at.

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