Reply #32: Crediting either Biden or Clinton with "toughening up" Obama is delusional and borderline demeaning [View All]

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For one thing, it begs the question of exactly who "toughened up" Obama to defeat both in the Primaries? The evidence suggests that he has been exactly as "tough" as he needed to be, when he needed to be, and had no need at all for either to "school" him in how to run a campaign.

I've never made any secret here of exactly how I view both Biden and Clinton, but that aside, I am at a loss to see how either can be considered to have been major players since the convention. Does anyone seriously think that Clinton's few high-profile campaign events have made anymore than a negligible difference in how many votes Obama will get in Blue states? Or have had any impact at all in Red states?

And whatever Biden's role might have originally been visioned, I have to wonder if the financial melt-down might not have altered it, given his close ties to the now less-than-popular banking and credit card industries?

I may have quarrels with a good few of Obama's stated policy positions to date, but I have infinite admiration for his organizing and campaigning skills, and can't see that he needed any instruction from two defeated opponents.