Reply #239: Just remember, there will be some things we disagree on [View All]

[fedupconservative]

and I'm fine with that if I feel your party represents the most logical way of moving forward.

On to your points.

I can't honestly say whether I think Bush is corrupt or not. With Cheney, there is no question in my mind. Bush, well he's a former drunk who bankrupted 2 of his own companies and hasn't figured out the English language yet so It's hard for me to give him the credit of being smart enough to purposely lie to us. I'm more thinking he has the mental capacity of a 3rd grader and was led astray by some really, really awful people who have influence in my party.

2. This is where some people make mistakes. Republicans are not neocons, nor are they Evangelical bible thumpers(no offense to my Christian friends). True Republicans want us to stay out of foreign entanglements. Remember Somalia or Serbia. It's this new and idiotic breed of Republicans called neocons that want us to police the world and use force as our negotiator.

3. Corporate taxes. This is the hard one. When we tax corporations, they build that tax into their prices which in essence, turns their tax into a tax on us. Not only that, it is one of the influencing issues which sends companies overseas.

It's not like it will kill me to see us tax corporations, I just want people to understand that we are the ones who end up paying those taxes.


As for nationalizing oil, I'm all for it. Those greedy bastards are killing our country for a necessity we must have. That's another reason I like Dems, - Their push for alternative energy is 100x that of my own party where the only plan seems to be the Fred Flinstone mobile. IT really escapes me why we haven't embraced this more with our party until I remember who's in charge.


I hope I shed some more light on why I'm here with some of my answers. IF you have more, ask away. There's 10x the civility here than trying to discuss these issues with neocons.










and you should only be encouraged in your thinking ---

However . . .

I'm still kind of hung up on a number of your responses which seem to suggest that Bush is making mistakes based on his intellectual failures while most of us see the Bush/Cheney arrangement as
intentionally corrupt. Are you anywhere near seeing that? Iraq, of course, as an "illegal" war
of aggression was based on lies to disinform the public about a connection to 9/11. Iraq also
provides the neo-con desire for perpetual war and enrichment of cronies, such as Halliburton and
Blackwater.

And, again, in #2 ...
Time for these other countries to take the training wheels off and pay for their own defense.
you seem to be under the impression that these countries want us to stay -- rather they want us to
go and have been trying for decades to get us to leave their countries. We are a disruptive force
in their societies wherever we have a military presence. Evidently, you're not quite clear on the
neo-con desire for Superpower status and the urge to continue in that mode while ensuring that no
other Superpower arises -- in fact, a clear move to return to imperialism - Pax Americana.

Re #3 . ..
There is no business which doesn't pass it costs off to some degree to consumers.
The arrangement we've had with corporations --- which are chartered and which we can dissolve ---
has been that they provide jobs, we allow them to pollute, and we tax them.
Currently, we are taxing them at less of a rate than the ordinary individual pays ---
often as low as 8% or less.
And, when car manufacturers went overseas to produce cars for less, did cars become any cheaper
in the US?
When the Berlin Wall fell, what happened to the "peace dividend" --?
It's ridiculous to suggest that we have "terrorism" which necessitates what the Cold War didn't --
a loss of freedom for Americans --- and what WWII didn't --- i.e., bankrupting the nation.

The Republican Party has always been the business/corporate party --
they act in their own interests.

As for OIL . . . we should nationalize oil -- it's a natural resource which should not be in
the hands of a few private families.

Additionally, we have an oil industry which has worked actively to suppress information about
Global Warming in a decades long campaign costing tens of millions of dollars to disinform the
public.

Essentially, we need to discontinue to burn oil in order to run our automobiles ---
yet Detroit's lack of response to increasing MPG suggests more of an allegiance to the oil
companies than to producing efficient cars.