Reply #208: no problem [View All]

[Two Americas]

I think you are right. We disagree. I don't think that people with right wing ideas are evil, and I don't use it as a smear. I work in agriculture, and there is no shortage of conservative people there. I speak to groups of conservatives all of the time in real life, and have great success against the very arguments you are making. Not with everyone, and you may be a person who will not change their mind on this. That is OK.

However, here we are handicapped, and vulnerable in ways that we would never be in real life in trying to make left wing arguments. So you can understand that winning against conservative arguments here is more difficult, and gains little of anything compared to real life. Also, unlike the conservative farm groups I speak to, here we nominally have a "Democratic" group, so it is a little exasperating to run into more strenuous and deep-seated opposition here than I do with extremely conservative farm groups, and to have a worse success rate at persuading as well.

here, one would hope to be able to compare experiences and share ideas to help us battle against conservative arguments in real life, rather than spending all of our time battling the same conservative arguments right here, and doing that under the handicaps of online boards which are tailor made for spreading catchy conservation talking points and having them go unchallenged. In real life, that can never happen around me even with the most extremely conservative groups.