Iraq Assessments: Insurgents Not Giving Up

[ckramer]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The recapture of Fallujah has not broken the insurgents' will to fight and may not pay the big dividend U.S. planners had hoped — to improve security enough to hold national elections in Sunni Muslim areas of central Iraq (news - web sites), according to U.S. and Iraqi assessments.

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[tk2kewl]

1. I can here Gomer right now...

Surpise! Surprise!

[olddad56]

12. The North Vietnamese never gave up either...

Something about the will to live.

If some imperialistic foreign nation invaded this country and overthrew our crooked government, our people would fight to the death to defend our territory. Why would anyone expect less. We have provided the people of Iraq with the motivation and desire. All they have to do is look around at the ruins and count the dead and/or wounded family members and friends to hate us enough to never quit. Our soldiers on the other hand are mostly good hard fighting men who want to win, but also want to go home to their families. As time goes on, they will become less and less enchanted with the notion that this war is worth dying for.

After all, they aren't defending their country. They are fighting for the government. I see all of these 'support our troops' signs and bumper stickers. These aren't 'our troops' these troops are the property of the United States government and they are fighting on orders from a crooked regime who wants oil, money and power. God bless these troops, I wish each one could come home safely and soon. But they aren't my troops, I would never send my troops be slaughtered while illegally invading a country half way around the world. I would want my troops here to defend what is left of my country.

And while I'm on a rant, how are all of these people with the cute signs actually supporting their troops. Are they sending them money? Are they sending them clean underwear? Are they baking them cookies? Or are they just putting little sighs on their cars. That might make the person with the sign feel patriotic and good about themselves. It might help perpetuate their denial about the twisted road the warmongers have led us down, but how does that help a soldier half way around the world whose life has been shattered by what he has witnessed, feel more supported.

Whew,okay, I feel better now.

[Demeter]

16. Whereas We Democrats Have Yet to Begin To Fight

This isn't the game the DLC thinks it is. We are not playing Constitutional Republican Democracy anymore--or rather, our opponent isn't.

Our opponent is playing Lenin. It's a nasty, vicious game, and there ultimately are no winners. Lenin dies and so do all his schemes. But millions suffer in the meanwhile, including his followers, more fools they. It's more than a coup, less than a Revolution.

This isn't our American Revolution, nor is it our civil war. It is time we admitted as much, and started playing the cards we are dealt and the rules we can enforce.

This is a big game of Lies, and the one thing that ultimately triumphs over lies are truths, and resolute noncompliance. If we start now, and play this game adroitly, with finesse, we might avoid a second Civil War as well as the Day After Tomorrow scenario. If not, we will be accomplices in that suffering of millions that has already begun and will surely escalate.

[Larkspur]

2. Didn't Orwell's book "1984" predict endless war in the Middle East?

[Nicholas_J]

3. The insurgents control the entire country

They have the support of much if not most of the population.

The us is going to have to raze city after city, while tyhe insurgents simply move from one to the next. Such a strategy will leave so much of Iraq in a shambles that holding elections in January will either be impossible or a total fraud.

[olddad56]

15. elections a total fraud...

they are supposed to be a total fraud, we are trying to create the same type of democracy there that we have here.

Oh and BTW, the insurgents have the support of the population because they are from the population. It is sort of like our revolutionary war. The US isn't really the good guy in this scenario.

[Minstrel Boy]

4. And what would they give up for?

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Some Americans supposedly know the meaning of those words.

[tmooses]

5. "our next step is winning the trust of the people of Fallujah"..

Is that before or after they clean up their neighbors' corpses off the street. It seems like the only thing this attack is doing is paving way for a civil war in Iraq.

[Nag Champa]

6. Wait a minute.

I read this morning that we had "broken the back" of the insurgents.

WTF?!

This is obviously just the liberal media trying to stir up trouble. Why don't they talk about all the wonderful classrooms we're building or the retirement planning seminars being given? I thought Iraq was going swimmingly.

Were we lied to? Is that possible?

Next thing you'll be telling me that the economy isn't soaring like an eagle, that Janet's breast didn't turn my child into a monster, or that we haven't found loads of WMD in Iraq.

[rodeodance]

8. just one more cake walk---NOT!!

[MasonJar]

7. 1984 was a world of perpetual war. Oceania was either at war

with Eurasia or Eastasia at all times. It was a policy built on fear. Sound familiar?

[Magleetis]

9. I'm afraid

that the war in Iraq is going to be one of Americas worst failures. Too bad so many must die. Next time maybe our government will bother to read the history books.

[ckramer]

10. No, no, not the government

It's G W Bush who should bother to read the history book.

[grumpy old fart]

11. Or have it read to him more likely.....

by Condi as she gazes upon him with adoring eyes....ahhhhhh, a love story made in hell.

[Magleetis]

13. Congress

voted to give numnuts the power. That is why I say our government. Not even W could fuck up this big on his own. On second thought he probably could, however few in the gov tried to stop him.

[Journeyman]

14. Well, now we've come full circle and are goin around again!. . .

We turned a corner when C-Plus Augustus donned his codpiece and declared the search for World's Biggest Moran complete. We turned another corner when we killed Saddam's sons. We turned another corner when we pulled Saddam out of his hidey-hole. And we turned another corner when Bremer gave Allawi the keys to the liquor cabinet and promptly split for parts unknown. That put us full square back where we started from only mired deeper in mud, so the Big Fool said "Fallujah!" Now here we are around another corner with little to show for it but more dead bodies, a devastated city, and millions more who despise everything about us.

Any bets on how many times we're going to go around before we finally get off the ride?

[Nostradammit]

18. C-Plus Augustus !!!

That's brilliant!

Thanks for the laugh - a hard thing to come by these days.

[colonel odis]

17. you mean we turn the city of mosques into rubble, shoot unarmed, wounded

men in a place of worship, and they still haven't given up?

c'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....