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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:41 PM
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Canadian literary icon Pierre Burton dead at 84
<http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/30/burton041130.html>

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He used to say he had 200,000 words a year in him, which he said were enough for either a daily column or another thick Berton book. By the age of 84, he had written 50 books before announcing his retirement. He was a star of Canadian radio and television, a household name, a man who once was quoted as saying a Canadian is "somebody who knows how to make love in a canoe."
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:45 PM
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1. Too bad, but he lived a full life
Just a few weeks ago on the satirical CBC show "22 minutes", he was shown giving lessons on how to roll a joint, then lighting up. Quite a cool guy and a very good writer of popular history. For anyone who wants to understand the horror that was WWI, his book "Vimy" is a great read.
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:04 PM
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7. I loved seeing him on 22 minutes...
Watching him roll that joint was absolutely wonderful...

Alas, he will now join Gordon Sinclair, Fred Davis and Alex Barris for games of Front Page Challenge in Heaven...

Thank you for being a proud Canadian Mr. Berton.

O8)
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:49 PM
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2. Goodnite Mr. Berton.
Thanks for all the Canadian words. :cry:
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:50 PM
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3. RIP, Pierre
He will be missed.
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canuckybee Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:58 PM
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4. A sad day for Canadians
He was unique and will be long remembered.
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:00 PM
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5. A Canadian icon
I remember him hosting the "Great Debates" back in the 1980's. He dignified the bowtie, unlike Tucker Carlson.
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kitchen girl Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:03 PM
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6. Godspeed, Mr. Berton...
"Klondike" is one of my favorite books.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:10 PM
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8. Very sad news
He was a good man and an excellent writer. I loved reading his books.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:12 PM
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9. I met him once;
he was a huge, hulking man, much bigger than I had anticipated.

As noted, he did have a wonderful, full, long life, and was much beloved by his fellow Canadians. His enthusiasm for his country, its history and its people were infectious.

A true gem, and we will miss him. RIP Pierre

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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:13 PM
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10. RIP to a true Canadian.
:cry:
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:32 PM
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11. NOOOOOOO
you know I knew this day would come someday

but damn

the man did more to keep Canadian history in to poplar consciousness than any one.

oh man ton of bricks has just hit me

cheers to you big guy
:toast:
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:33 PM
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12. Even as an American (i.e. a wretched outcast) . . .
I was overwhelmed with "The Arctic Grail". What a wonderful treatment of such an enormous and fascinating story. So long, Pierre - we'll miss you!!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:14 PM
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15. Yeah that was a good book
It had some American content too. Peary's north pole expedition and some others, although I can't recall specifics.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:12 PM
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17. What I remember most of his description of Peary . . .
. . . was what a total control-freak asshole the guy was. OTOH, you've got to be pretty flippin' weird to actually want to do what those guys did.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:40 PM
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13. he was my vote for
greatest canadian. Before Trudeau even.
Peace in the afterlife monsoir Pierre!

He was also one of my first memories....front page challenge days as a tot.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:40 PM
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21. Canadian history and so much more
Pierre was, when he died, on the advisory board of Fair Vote Canada -- http://www.fairvotecanada.org/fvc.php -- a group working for a more representative electoral system in Canada.

About Tommy Douglas, recently voted the Greatest Canadian in the CBC's "contest", Berton said:

http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/top_ten/nominee/douglas-tommy-know.html

Douglas retired from the leadership of the party in 1971, prompting Pierre Berton to say: "Where would we be without the NDP? It and its predecessor have been the conscience of Canada, often at the risk of our own popularity."
And about the 2002 Canadian Alliance leadership race:

http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSPolitics0203/20_celebs-sun.html

"Does it matter? Day and this other guy -- Stephen what's his name, who doesn't seem to know what he's going to do if he loses, and all these other guys. It's a hilarious situation. It's a joke. If Stockwell Day wins, I think the Alliance is pretty well finished. I think he's going to win because those stubborn western guys are just going to dig their heels in.

"If Harper wins, I think the Alliance might have a chance not to breathe its last, but even then it's going to be pretty tough."
In 1998, he headed the (alphabetical ;) ) list of the Ontario NDP's "Victory Fund Cabinet":

http://www.web.net/~ondp/nod/dec97/victoryfund.htm

And on Iraq:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1035500048377_26/?hub=TopStories

Berton, who has four books on wars, told LaFlamme that if he had to write a book about Iraq he would say the war against Baghdad "is being used as a political device to get votes."

He said the war on terrorism is not like any old-fashioned war. Berton said what we're living now is a continual state of war, similar to what George Orwell talked about in his book, 1984.

"We're getting continual war all the time, quite often for political reasons. That's how people get elected. 'Let's go to war!' and everybody applauds."
and, with many prominent Canadians, he signed this letter opposing the invasion of Iraq:

http://www.nsi-ins.ca/ensi/pdf/time_to_move.pdf

Time to Move Beyond War

We, the undersigned, are deeply alarmed that the most powerful nations in the world continue to rely on military force to achieve their global political and economic goals - while eroding the standard of living, the environment, and the security of people throughout the world.

We are united in the belief that a military attack on Iraq at this juncture would be profoundly immoral, and would almost certainly result in destabilizing repercussions that would endanger the
whole world.

Since the 1991 Gulf War,an estimated 1.5 million Iraqis have died as a result of shortages of food and medicine under sanctions. Iraq's water and sewage treatment facilities, destroyed during the Gulf War, have not yet been restored due to sanctions - resulting in an epidemic of water-borne diseases throughout the country.

In August 1999, UNICEF confirmed that 500,000 Iraqi children, mainly under the age of 5 years, had died under sanctions, and that a further 25% of all Iraqi children suffer from chronic and acute malnutrition.

Military action would first and foremost affect the long-suffering civilian population of Iraq. It would constitute an unprovoked act of aggression and would present the very real danger of igniting a larger conflict far beyond the borders of Iraq.

No connection has been confirmed between Iraq and the September 11th
terrorist attacks.

Furthermore, no convincing evidence has been produced that Iraq is in possession of weapons of mass destruction, or that it has plans to threaten to use, or to use, such weapons in the near future.

The world cannot be made safe from weapons of mass destruction by countries that possess vast arsenals of such weaponry, bombing other nations for allegedly pursuing the same weaponry.

Global peace and security can only be achieved by entering into negotiated and verifiable agreements to rid the world of allweapons of mass destruction.

Bombing sites that could contain nuclear, chemical or biological weapons should be unthinkable, as it would hold the potential for a global human and environmental catastrophe.

We urge the Canadian government and the people of Canada to do everything in their power to oppose military action against Iraq and to seek peaceful means to resolve outstanding issues.

Peace can only be built upon a foundation of diplomacy and justice. We must work to uphold international law and to safeguard human rights, the environment, and global human security.

Then, and only then, can the world move beyond terrorism and war.

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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:11 PM
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14. RIP Mr. Burton
When I first married my wife from France, her huge extended family wanted to know everything, every detail, about Canada. I started out by giving them about a half dozen of Pierre's books, and from there it became a tradition and an expectation that I'd bring more back with me on each visit. (They simultaneously learned English, and learned about Canada, through these books.) THEY loved him.

Pierre ADORED this country, for exactly the same reasons as I do, despite our huge age difference. A rich life indeed.

Thanx, Mr. Burton.
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:12 AM
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16. I love Pierre Burton
I also love that his death has knocked GWB's visit from the top spot on the National. They've been talking about him for 10 minutes now. This has been a great week for celebrating great Canadians.

If you haven't read his books, you should.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:16 PM
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18. Recommended Reading: The Arctic Grail.
My favorite Canadian historian.

Bye, Mr Burton.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:19 PM
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19. He had a great, simple TV show called "My Canada" in the '70s.
It was essentially him sitting in a chair, telling a colourful story from Canadian history. It really captivated me as a young kid.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:40 PM
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20. his passing was the lead story on cbc newsworld yesterday, NOT bush!
pierre berton was a true Canadian, a man whose love of his nation was expressed in the many many books he wrote. i just bet he would have loved the fact that his passing trumped gw's visit to Canada too!
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Logiola Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:46 PM
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22. You will be missed
RIP Pierre
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