Voters to challenge US election

[bemildred]

George Bush's victory in the US presidential election will be challenged in Ohio's supreme court today, when a group of Democratic voters will allege widespread fraud.

President Bush clinched re-election by winning the state of Ohio on November 2 by a margin of 136,000 votes over the Democratic candidate, John Kerry. Despite claims of fraud and technical glitches, Senator Kerry decided that they were not big enough to affect the result and conceded the election on November 3.

However, Cliff Arnebeck, a lawyer representing a group of voters challenging the Ohio result, claimed new analysis of various anomalies suggested it was rigged.

"We'll be calling for a reversal of the result based on evidence developed in the course of litigation," Mr Arnebeck told The Guardian yesterday. "Exit polling and substantial irregularities excluded votes that should have been counted. There is evidence that votes cast for one candidate were moved to the column of the other candidate."

Guardian UK

[roguevalley]

1. thank god. of course, we had to hear about it in the guardian.

[pinkpops]

2. Funny - I didn't see that in my local paper.

[NYC Liberal]

5. What? The American media report something critical of Bush?

How outrageous!

[LibertyorDeath]

8. Aaron Brown is working tirelessly on a way to spin this right now

Bless his pseudo Liberal heart.

[NYC Liberal]

10. Haven't watched the news since about a week before 11/2.

It's done wonders for the blood pressure and stress level. :)

[LibertyorDeath]

15. It's been over 6 months since I subjected myself to cnn &

I've stopped watching Network News altogether.

I get my news from the Internet & CBC Newsworld

& I always make time for Jon Stewart TDS

[driver8]

14. the media

I cannot believe what a sad state the Main Stream Media is in. This is perhaps one of the biggest news stories ever and these guys are sitting on their hands! You call that journalism?

They don't report anything unless it is handed to them on a silver platter; half the time what they report is incorrect because they never bother to check anything (ie: Swiftboat Vets).

[Winamericaback]

3. I doubt

anything will come of this. The Ohio Supreme court has 5 Repugs and 2 dems on the bench.

[lonestarnot]

4. So we appeal... With any luck Rehnquist will be unable to sit and we'll

have a tied up Supreme Court, then civil war I guess. Yikes!

[NYC Liberal]

7. Yep:

Top: Maureen O'Connor (R) Paul Pfiefer (D) Evelyn Lundberg Stratton (R) Terrence O'Donnell (R)
Bottom: Alice Robie Resnick (D) Thomas J. Moyer (R) Francis Sweeney (R)

[ilife]

11. even a journey of a MILLION MILES begins with a SINGLE step

i don't give a damn if it takes the rest of my natural born LIFE the leadership BETTER start fighting back.

[Eloriel]

18. Um, perhaps you haven't noticed, ilife

but WE are the leadership now. We have to be.

[ilife]

9. a LOT will come of this... it may take YEARS but this COP-OUT needs to END

NOW.

i heard some DNC child crying how nothing could be done in the next 4 years since the reTHUGs control everything.

well guess what, you're FIRED then.

we need people who KNOW and when they don't to at LEAST act like they KNOW and better be ready, willing and ABLE to make SOMETHING from NOTHING!

i can understand folks posting on INTERNET boards being out of ideas but for our 'LEADERS' :argh:

it is certainly time for the current crop to get OUT of the WAY.

:hi:

[gumby]

6. The Busheviks create reality now.

Didn't you get the memo? The creators of psy-ops reality declare that Bunnypants is King. End of discussion.

[donkeyotay]

20. thanks for bring it into focus for me

"The creators of psy-ops reality declare that Bunnypants is King."

It's sad. It's true. It's funny, too. Nothing to see here. I'll move along now.

[pfitz59]

12. WA State Repuke won Gov by 42 votes!!!!!!!!

State will do hand re-count. How do you hand recount electronic votes with no paper trail? I think WA State offers best opportunity to invalidate BlackBox voting! 42 votes! Dino(saur) Rossi is BAD NEWS!

[Disturbed]

13. The Dem leadership?

Why are they not outraged and demanding justice regarding Voter Fraud?

[Gloria]

16. Because, Disturbed, the media will suddenly awaken and cream

the Democrats en masse. Better to let this move ahead under the radar for now. Otherwise, it will be FL-like hype and destruction and they will push public opinion Bush's way.

[lovuian]

17. Its being really obvious that next few weeks are going to reveal

FRAUD then REPUBLICANS will be exposed!!!

They will deny deny deny!!!

Its going to get interesting thats for sure!!!

[Phil Shepard]

19. Network the Networks

As we dig in for the long haul and as large numbers in my area have regrouped under various democratic and activist banners, we can seize a special opportunity. Electronic versions of "Committees of Correspondence" can coordinate and integrate diverse grassroots efforts on the left in potent new ways.

The electoral campaigns of 2004 appear to have operated largely in a top-down fashion, with most communication flowing from the top down and the campaigns discovering the virtues of moving information from the bottom up relatively late in the game. 527 groups like Move On and Democracy for America saw the need much earlier and pioneered much of the technology (customized software ensembles). But even the pioneers were slow to recognize the need for lateral communication between local groups.

Local committees of e-mail correspondence can fill this void and do it in a flexible way. By having correspondents closely involved with numerous local activist groups, timely information can keep all abreast of both actions and analyses, increase participation, and amplify the "voice" for each cause. Moreover, by having various correspondents affiliate with one or more national concerns, each new development can find its way to greater numbers of local activists at the speed of e-mail.

The response to the massive failings of the Ohio vote provides a good example. Very few people in Michigan have yet caught up with the suppressed news on this. But in Lansing, [e-mail] (the email list of the Mid Michigan Committee of Correspondence) is beginning to make up the difference and about to launch what I believe will be the first local campaign in Michigan for WE DO NOT CONCEDE.

We can even network these networks of networks. Laterally, by forming a national committee of correspondence with at least one correspondent from each local committee. Vertically, by plugging our local CC's into efforts such as the Democratic Underground.

There is considerable urgency to this effort. The national Republican controlled media (i.e. virtually all the national media) have already signaled their intention to cover only what Bush and Co. want covered. That will no doubt leave out most of the information concerned liberal citizens feel they need to act responsibly in the difficult days to come. The unfinished voting process in Ohio and at least several other states provides a second reason for urgency. Dozens of further reasons loom on the near horizon.

If you would like to start a similar effort in your area, please email me.

Yours in solidarity for the coming struggles,

Phil Shepard
[e-mail]

[callous taoboy]

21. Go Go Go Go!!!!!!

[seemslikeadream]

22. MUST SEE! Cliff Arnebeck Link on C-Span re: FRAUD!!!

Call-In
2004 Presidential Vote in Ohio
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 184644 - 2 - 12/02/2004 - 0:30 - No Sale

Arnebeck, Cliff, Co-Chairman, Alliance for Democracy

Mr. Arnebeck will talk by video link from Columbus, Ohio about the 2004 presidential vote in Ohio. Later in the day, he is filing a lawsuit at the Ohio Supreme Court challenging the presidential election in Ohio. He will respond to telephone calls, faxes, and electronic mail from viewers.


http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=6&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=205&Rot_WD=

interview starting at 34:00

[fleabert]

23. watched this am on CSPAN...

AWESOME.

The Repub callers sounded so foolish and fanatic, it was kind of pitiful.

GO GO RECOUNT!

Arnebeck said that their experts fully expect a full recount to show Kerry won Ohio! yeah!

[proudbluestater]

26. Caught Cliff Arnebeck on C-Span

He has worked for both Republicans and Democrats in the past. He sounded very credible on the air. He stated this is a grass roots effort by the citizens, I think he mentioned the internet folks, too. woo hoo!

He also informed the host, who wasn't aware, that the newspapers who did the entire counting of Flordida in 2000 found that Gore actually won. Host was not aware.

He also said the media needs to do their job THIS time as well. They should start reporting on the issues!

[Sara Beverley]

24. Are we going to take to the streets as in the Ukraine?

That would be awesome!

[17yroldtwins]

25. Sara Beverley, I like your style!

You bet we should take to the streets.

I just checked an activism web site and my city, Kansas City, is the only other spot (besides Columbus) that is having a demonstration/rally this Saturday.

I find that very hard to believe.

Is any one else out there 'taking it to the streets?'

Attie

[Lizzie Borden]

27. KICK!

:kick: