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MidEastMan Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:11 AM
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White House getting used to idea of Shia government
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 07:18 AM by MidEastMan
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/39769c38-4489-11d9-9f6a-00000e2511c8.html

As American troop reinforcements head to Iraq, the Bush administration is slowly coming to terms with the realisation that elections scheduled for next month could spell the end of Iyad Allawi, prime minister and the secular US favourite, and usher in a quasi-theocracy.


Nothing is certain, not even the January 30 election date, yet there is a growing expectation in Washington that a coalition dominated by religious parties of the Shia majority is likely to emerge as the first Shia Muslim government in the Arab world. One US official, an expert on the Middle East, reflected on the unforeseen consequences of last year's invasion. "Now we are willing to countenance a limited theocracy in Iraq, limited by a weak basic law that guarantees basic civil liberties," said the official, who asked not to be named. "That was not the original idea."

The sweeping vision of neoconservatives of a secular, democratic Iraq that would transform the political equation in the region and recognise Israel had been shattered, said the official. Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, a Shia cleric and leader of the Iranian-backed Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri), is one of several names circulating in Washington as a likely prime minister. Others include Adel Abd al-Mahdi, the current finance minister and Sciri member, and Ibrahim al-Jaafari, the current vice president and head of the Shia Dawa party.

Some leading neoconservatives in Washington are dismayed at the weakening of secular moderates by the persistent Sunni insurgency. Richard Perle, former adviser to the Pentagon, says the big mistake was not to have installed an early government of exiles. Charles Krauthammer, a commentator, warned the Shia and Kurdish minority that the US was not ready to fight "their civil war" against the Sunnis indefinitely. The US wanted to "maintain this idea of a unified, non-ethnic Iraq". "At some point, however, we must decide whether that is possible and how many American lives should be sacrificed in its name." Experts on Iraq and the Shia at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a leading neoconservative policy group, are still upbeat.They believe a Shia-led coalition that will oversee the process of writing a constitution next year will remain democratic and make compromises. Although religious, it will not be a theocracy because Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most influential spiritual leader, will stay in the background.

Despite the groups' ties to Iran and its Revolutionary Guards, they say Sciri and Dawa are not beholden to the ayatollahs in Iran.Michael Rubin, a former US adviser in Iraq and now an AEI analyst, predicts a broad-based coalition with a "religious colouring". Mr Allawi, whose party has not yet managed to form a coalition slate, is likely to lose out, says Mr Rubin, who believes Central Intelligence Agency polling data overestimate the popularity of their protégé. "The Bush administration sees Afghanistan as a success story and wants to replicate it, but Allawi is no Hamid Karzai," says Mr Rubin, referring to the elected Afghan president. Reuel Gerecht, a former CIA operative who joined AEI, believes the US administration is prepared for a lot of Sunnis not to vote because of intimidation or boycott. "But they are not fully prepared for the Shia winning and Allawi possibly going down."

A Shia-led government would want US forces to continue fighting the Sunni insurgents - until Iraqi security forces were trained in numbers. Mr Hakim, recalls Mr Gerecht, encouraged President George W. Bush to stay the course during their private meeting in the White House last January. More problematic is the reaction of Iraq's Sunni Arab neighbours to a Shia leadership in Baghdad. Officials say a flurry of meetings with Arab leaders is aimed at gaining their acceptance of what the elections may produce while encouraging the Sunnis to participate and reining in the ex-Ba'athists. "The Jordanians and the Saudis are allergic to a Shia-dominated government and are revolted at the prospect," says Mr Gerecht.
A conference at the US Institute of Peace, which is assisting Iraq, heard from experts and senior US and Iraqi officials this week that election preparations were on track in all but three provinces. More than 4,000 candidates have registered so far. "It's time for these people to vote. And I am looking forward to it," Mr Bush said in the Oval Office yesterday. "The elections should not be postponed." Ronald Schlicher, the State Department's co-ordinator for Iraq, said the US would hav e to accept the results of a "credible" election.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:13 AM
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1. Hi MidEastMan! You Need to Edit your Post
to four paragraphs per: LBN rules! Thanks...

and welcome to DU! :toast:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:15 AM
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2. But isn't a theocracy
what Bush wants to establish here?

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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:20 AM
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4. Yes, as long as
Bush gets to be God.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:30 AM
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14. We resemble that remark...
Bush Inc. should be comfortable with a theocracy...
it resembles his own so well.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:20 AM
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3. Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming a year before the invasion.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:36 AM
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7. <<crickets chirping>>
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 07:37 AM by arwalden
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:21 AM
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10. I can't believe
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 08:21 AM by sushi
they didn't see it coming!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:24 AM
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5. In 1991 the US helped Hussein's govt put down the Shia rebels.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 07:26 AM by LynnTheDem
Too bad they didn't accept a Shi'ite theocracy for Iraq back then; 1.5 million Iraqi kids wouldn't have died from US-enforced sanctions; 1400+ US & "coalition" troops wouldn't be dead; tens of thousands wouldn't be destroyed; 100,000 Iraqi civilians wouldn't be dead; the world wouldn't hate our guts; we wouldn't be heading into bankruptcy (in every sense of the word possible)...and we wouldn't now hold the title of Biggest Dumb Hypocrites In Human History.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:28 AM
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6. The "I meant to do that" foreign policy

Pee Wee Herman is running the country.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:37 AM
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8. I think I recall Cheney saying at the beginning "We will never accept
a Shia government"
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:26 AM
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12. And I think
it was Rumsfeld who said "That is not allowed," when asked about the possibility of a theocracy in Iraq. Such arrogance. They want to dictate what kind of government another country should have.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:41 AM
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9. Copyright
You have one hour from the time of your post for editing.
Rules for pasting articles here at DU are...no more than four paragraphs.
Please snip you article.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:25 AM
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11. send in Rove to fix the election!!
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mirounga Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:23 AM
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13. unforeseen consequences????
a shiite government??? Who didn't see this coming before the war even started???
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:57 AM
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16. Richard Pearle, Dick Cheney, George Bush .....
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 12:07 PM by Buck Rabbit
and Mr and Mrs Elmer Smith of Burntweed Kansas.


<edited to note: Their youngest son Peter told them, but the elder Smiths don't pay that boy no mind... and oh yeah Thomas Friedman the Big City fancy pants ME expert didn't know either.>
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:59 AM
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17. The Smiths
Too funny
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:44 AM
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15. Unforseen?
Only if you were ignoring the handwriting on the wall.
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Liberaltarian Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:00 PM
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18. you mean there won't be a Shah of Iraq?
that's gotta be a bummer.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:02 PM
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19. Quasi-Theocracy
You mean they can grow up to be JUST LIKE the United States?
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:04 PM
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20. re: "the unforeseen consequences of last year's invasion"
My goldfish saw this one commming yo!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:09 PM
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21. We all knew this would happen....
but we were ignored as a focus group when we marched against this illegal war...

I hate being right again. Oh, and Iraqi women,,OOPS.....
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:12 PM
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22. Excuse mongering neocons
The filthy liars were wrong, and the anti-war protesters were right, as usual. Now the neo-cons are inventing reasons to explain away their stupidity:

"Richard Perle...says the big mistake was not to have installed an early government of exiles." - we didn't make the mistake of appointing Allawi quickly enough. Had we made this mistake quicker, it wouldn't have been a mistake.

"Charles Krauthammer...warned the Shia and Kurdish minority that the US was not ready to fight "their civil war" against the Sunnis indefinitely." - we should have started a civil war right away.

"Experts on Iraq and the Shia at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a leading neoconservative policy group, are still upbeat." - true believers who will never admit to their disastrous folly.

Sounds like they want a civil war. Maybe they think that will free up troops to invade Iran.
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