China carried out 90% of world's executions

[bin.dare]

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2004/1204/breaking48.htm

China carried out nearly 90 per cent of the world's executions last year, putting at least 5,000 people to death, according to an activist group campaigning to end capital punishment.

China is one of 60 countries that still have the death penalty, the Rome-based group Hands Off Cain said in a report yesterday.

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Iran had the second-highest number of known executions worldwide in 2003 with 154, according to Hands Off Cain.

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Vietnam executed at least 69 people, while the United States put to death 65 people and Saudi Arabia carried out 52 executions, according to Hands Off Cain.

[Zynx]

1. China has one of the most corrupt and brutal regimes in the world.

That's the reason why we must back off from our reliance on Chinese goods.

[DarkSim]

45. I don't think it's that bad out here, really.

I've talked tons to the locals and have the pleasure of working with 150 of them daily. They all seem to like their nation and say that the censorship of the press isn't that bad really (sometimes state newspapers report more detail etc. than many american ones i read!)
Conditions here are also getting better. In-fact i'd argue this is the only place on earth where things are getting better - not worse.
The country still has alot to do, but it's nowhere near as bad off as the west thinks.

[sam sarrha]

51. there are 1.25 MILLION dead Tibetans to prove that...

[aneerkoinos]

58. But without Chinese imperialism

would there be Tibetan Tulkus choosing to be reborn in West and helping us on the path to Awareness?

Karma works in funny ways...

[saigon68]

61. They are the WALTON'S BEST FRIENDS

The Waltons love the Chinese. The Chinese Kommunists have made the family the richest in the world.

[whalerider55]

2. and texas the other 10% ?

[nashville_brook]

5. i was going to say the same thing! n/t

[whalerider55]

6. great minds tweak alike, so they say

[Cobalt Violet]

18. First thought I had too.

[opihimoimoi]

3. China makes it an Industry what with body parts and all. Its a 2 Fer

get rid of criminals and earn money at the same time.

[barb162]

15. are you saying they are selling organs for transplants after they

execute someone

[opihimoimoi]

20. Strong rumors persist that China is doing this and have been for years...

Build a better mouse trap, and they will come.

Our folks have to wait for years and sometimes too late. death wins the race.

So, for the very rich and connected. China is the only option left. Its the Capiutalist system of supply and demand. Ronald Reagan mentions this system as a good one although I don't think RR had this aspect in mind.

[barb162]

34. A friend of mine who is of Chinese ancestry tells me stories about

China...they are still using a lot of prison labor and he said they will often imprison people and these people never have trials. Then they might let them out 20 years later and the people have no idea what they ever did to be put in prison. Fact is they did nothing; they just hauled these people in prison to make furniture, Xmas ornaments, whatever, that we all buy so eagerly. My friend's father came here as a young man and he is still bringing relatives out of China.

[DoNotRefill]

37. It's even worse than that....

they maintain political prisoners until a specific organ is needed. Then they do the bloodwork, find a prisoner that matches the needs of the person paying for it, execute the prisoner, and transplant the organ. Total cost is supposed to be around $50,000 US.

[DarkSim]

47. Sorry, but that sounds like a pile of crap to me

In all my 6 years in china i've never heard anything even remotely like that and i've talked to people of virtually every social class this nation has.

Okay, i do know that people are put into prison for no reason and without trials, but come on, organ extraction? How are they supposed to do that so that the organs stay intact when the country doesn't even have enough surgeons for the big cities? And how on earth would they store the organs? On ice in a box?!

Above i am making the assumption that they don't do this in the big cities, or foreigneirs here would have heard of it.

To conclude: in the countryside they have literally non of the required materials to succesfully extract an organ for medical purposes. Therfore what you guys have been talking about is most likely crap. :P

[DoNotRefill]

52. China is working on sending men into space.

do you really think that they are incapable of performing organ transplants there? I'm not talking about in the middle of nowhere, I'm talking about in the cities. They bring the organ recipient to the city where the transplant is to take place, they kill the "donor", remove the organ, and transplant it almost immediately. Afterwards, I'm sure they bill the "donor's" family for the bullet.

One good thing about running a totalitarian state where the government owns the media: It's not that hard to keep something secret. I'm sure they're not putting up billboards advertising this in Beijing. That doesn't mean it does not happen.

[barb162]

54. for purposes of argument, I have seen shows and read

about Indians selling their kidneys for peanuts, like a thousand bucks. The kidneys go to the US mostly or rich Indians as I recall.

And this past week on Oprah I saw a show which had a segment on Chinese orphanages. Little girls are sometimes left to die just anywhere because of the Chinese family system about boys passing down the family name nd how families strive to have a boy. If a family has 3 girls in a row, it is somewhat understood they can often be left to die somewhere as the limit on children is so small there. If they wind up in orphanages, they often just let them die. A BBC film crew went in secretly to do the filming where they took their camera parts carried by different people so the Chinese authorities wouldn't know cameras were being taken in. They have these "dying rooms" in some of the orphanages where the baby girls are basically tied up and just left to die. It was so fucking pathetic and disgusting. This one baby girl was skin and bones and had horribly infected eyes with pus coming out of the eye sockets. They said she died a week later. This baby was moaning and groaning, obviously horribly suffering; no medical treatment, no food, water.... They showed other baby girls tied into chairs and older kids in the orphanage beating them up.

Anyway, if they are doing that, no mental leap of any kind is required for me to think they can do the organ selling mentioned by the one poster.

[NNguyenMD]

4. we have more executions than the oppressive regime of Saudi Arabia...hmmm

[Dr.Phool]

8. China is probably

just more efficient. They still use swords in Saudi Arabia.

[QC]

23. Saudi Arabia has only about 7% of our population. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

7. They also have the highest abortion rate, including percentage-wise

But shop till you drop at China-Mart, fundies, because you can't get enough of those cheap imported goods! :eyes:

[genieroze]

9. China carried out 90% of world's executions?

I thought it was Texas. lol

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. China is also

the most populated country on earth, so they probably hold the record for all kinds of things.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

11. Convert or

die...

[HysteryDiagnosis]

12. How many in Iraq in comparable years?? n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. And look at all the business we do with them...shame

[barb162]

14. you sure it's not TX 90%, China 10%

[SHRED]

16. Another reason to boycott Wal-Mart

Biggest importer of Chinese goods.

[barb162]

59. You better boycott Mattel and a huge number of other

companies having all their stuff manufactured there. All this stuff with Chinese labels. Just read today Mattel has manufacturing there where the workers are often working 24 hour days, very few toilet breaks, in terribly polluted factories, etc., and the workers get 20 cents per hour.


here is a snippet from a fairly long 11/26/04 Los Angeles Times article:

By Abigail Goldman
Times Staff Writer
Published November 26, 2004

"GUANGDONG PROVINCE, China -- Just off a wide dirt road that leads to a densely packed jumble of factories, workers behind one guarded metal gate toil seven days a week, sometimes as many as 24 hours straight, making toys for about 20 cents an hour.

It is a pace that makes them almost numb to the poor ventilation, the lack of bathroom breaks and a fear that they will be beaten if they complain.

Sweatshops aren't unusual, of course, in a country that possesses a large and cheap workforce and a permissive government hungry to attract big business. What makes this situation notable is that these workers make products for a company widely considered one of the most socially responsible American firms: Mattel Inc.

"Mattel has no way to know the truth about what really goes on here," said a 24-year-old worker at the Shenzhen factory. "Every time there is an inspection, the bosses tell us what lies to say."

snip

[Occulus]

17. This article is an utter and complete LIE

if you count dead civilians in Iraq as "murdered".

I do.

[Chicago Democrat]

19. 5000 people put to death!!! in one year?!

What did they do? Murder? or were these political prisoners?

[durutti]

21. Not to justify it, but...

One should also keep in mind that China has a very large population.

[American Tragedy]

29. Even if you calculate per 100,000, I suspect it's still the highest

[Flagg]

22. And Bush's Amerikkka put more than 100 000 innocent Iraqis to death

last year


Nobody's perfect.

[OutsourceBush]

25. yea, this article is propaganda to try to make Busholini

look not soo much like an evil right wing dictator.

[Hosnon]

27. Question: I assume you are European because of the flag...is the EU

going to add stars as we did for the new members?

[aneerkoinos]

31. No more stars

12 it is and 12 it will stay, they do not represent each member country (now 25), but originally the "crown" of Holy Mary. When EU (or rather EC) was founded, it was still strictly Christian club, if the flag was decided now the symbolism would be less religious.

[BonjourUSA]

36. You are wrong !!

It is the symbol not only of the European Union but also of Europe's unity and identity in a wider sense. The circle of gold stars represents solidarity and harmony between the peoples of Europe.


The number of stars has nothing to do with the number of Member States. There are twelve stars because the number twelve is traditionally the symbol of perfection, completeness and unity. The flag therefore remains unchanged regardless of EU enlargements.

http://europa.eu.int/abc/symbols/emblem/index_en.htm

[aneerkoinos]

38. Did you read my post?

That's what I said, it has nothing to do with number of Member States.

And this particular symbol of perfection, completeness and unity is linked to Virgin Mary.

[BonjourUSA]

40. I prefer other symbols than Virgin Mary

I'm going to add one star on the European flag right now.... But in the French tradition, 13 is a black number.... Perhaps I'm going to remove one ;-)

[aneerkoinos]

43. Solution

Just consider it the symbol of Mother Goddess, non-virgin pagans have more fun...

[daleo]

64. Looks a bit like a Saturday morning cartoon

Like she just got conked on the head and has that "seeing stars" thing going. Plus, she seems to be standing on a very large orange.

[aneerkoinos]

67. LOL

At least we Euros see less stars in less psychadelic colours. But conked on the all of us, very true... :D

[JohnLocke]

65. Two wrongs don't make a right (nt).

[cavanaghjam]

24. trade with China good

trade with Cuba baaad.
makes perfect sense
if you're in the sugar biz

[Hosnon]

26. But have they beaten Bush's Texas??

[JNelson6563]

28. Yet look at their trade status with us

and think of how dependent we are on them for buying our debt. Despicable.

Julie

[PurityOfEssence]

30. No wonder Republicans like 'em so much.

Don't much care for unions either, do they?

[rodeodance]

32. China, Saudi Arabia. Irag, US, Vietnam--grand company we are in!!!

[BonjourUSA]

33. With a population of 1,5 billion of inhabitants, the US would have.....

executed 390 people. And Saudi Arabia 3120

[Gman]

35. And I thought Texas carried out 90% of the executions

Texas is never happy being less than #1 in anything, unless its education, kids without adequate health care and a few other things. Then Texas can't stand it if it's not last.

[DownNotOut]

39. This is a sad fact but

we really need China's help to snuff out the beast. China is going to help us starve our corrupt economy and shake the thugs off the tree.


DownNotOut

[msgadget]

41. Please elaborate.

[FoundInTheMaise]

42. Has China declared their political direction?

Are they currently on the left or right side of the political spectrum? It's really hard to keep up in these changing times.

[aneerkoinos]

44. China is Confucean n/t

[DarkSim]

46. Officially it's a socialist nation

but really it's the most capitalist country i've lived in - you can get anything for money!

[JohnLocke]

66. Right-wing totalitarianism (nt).

[leesa]

48. So we moved from 3rd to 4th place. Funny, how Iraq isn't on there.

[Sean Reynolds]

49. To be fair, China also is also the most populated country in the world.

[sam sarrha]

50. Only because Dubya isnt Governor of Texas anymore..!!

[VegasWolf]

53. Texas carried out the other 10%. n/t

[bhikkhu]

55. What is their prison population?

I have read that ours is about 2.5 million and the largest in the world, both as a bulk number and as a percentage. Maybe their system is too different to draw comparisons, but I am also curious as to what are considered capitol crimes in china. From what I have heard (friends have travelled and lived there) there is very little crime even in the biggest cities.

[barb162]

56. I don't believe this; I suspect China has a lot of forced labor

and prisons, far more than we do, if my friend is telling me correctly. My friend is the most honest person I have ever met and I believe every word he says. People are locked up there and for no reason other than they want free labor. Remember too under the old Russian system, the gulags and forced labor where people were dying by the thousands and they committed no crimes.

[Chicago Democrat]

57. The entire country is one giant work prison...

for our benefit.

[barb162]

60. take a look at Sunday's ChicagoTribune where they have an

article on Mattel and its manufacturing facilities there. See post 59 from an LA Times article that cites some of the article. Not that we haven't seen these stories hundreds of times. Anything that has a Chinese label we probably shouldn't buy it and maybe that applies to India and a bunch of other countries that have work standards in name only. Unless these countries start to comply with humane work standards, we should boycott them? Or do we hurt the people there more because if they don't work, they will die? I think about the auto, steel, etc., manufacturing that was done here under some fairly high paid union labor and now these USA people are not working and we have replaced it with, as you write, one giant work prison. Some progress, huh?

[bhikkhu]

62. Sad...

Thanks for the response. I only wish the US had some moral standing left in the world. During the seventies and eighties I remember trade being contingent on human rights reform. I have heard nothing from this administration...profit, with a wink and a nod to the jailkeepers

[barb162]

63. "'trade being contingent on human rights" that seems like

such a long time ago when we demanded things like that

[pacifictiger]

68. not to excuse the numbers

but considering China has 20% of the population of the entire planet, it is not surprising that its capital punishment numbers are so high. The USA has only 4.6% of the world's population and many of the other countries that have the death penalty are tiny in population, such as some of the carribean islands.