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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:46 PM
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French Police Misplace Explosives on Jet
PARIS - Police at Paris' top airport lost track of a passenger's bag in which plastic explosives were placed to train bomb-sniffing dogs, police said Saturday. Warned that the bag may have gotten on any of nearly 90 flights from Charles de Gaulle, authorities searched planes upon arrival in Los Angeles and New York.

French police said the explosives were harmless and there was no chance of their going off, since no detonators were connected to them.
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French police at Charles de Gaulle deliberately placed up to five ounces of plastic explosives into a passenger's luggage Friday evening, police spokesman Pierre Bouquin said.

But a "momentary lack of surveillance" led to the bag being lost on a conveyor belt carrying luggage from check-in to planes, he said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20041204/ap_on_re_eu/france_lost_explosives
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ohioliberal Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:50 PM
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1. Well Duh!
Anyone can attach the detonators to them, those French really know how to police.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:53 PM
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2. D'oh!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:00 PM
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3. Oh, big deal
We ourselves lost what... 300 million pounds of the stuff that we had in our custody in Iraq?

Not to mention our Uranium that we managed to lose, too?

So, the french lose ONE little suitcase of plastic explosive.

We should cut them some slack.

They were, after all also right about Iraq.

Speaking of Uranium: If terrorists ever learned to turn depleted Uranium anti-tank shells into a weapon, do you think we'll finally stop using the stuff?
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:08 PM
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4. The reason it's called depleted uranium
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 07:08 PM by ZR2
Is because it is no longer radioactive. It is used as a projectile only becuase it is very dense and therefore carries a lot more energy with it.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:22 PM
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5. It's only a tiny fraction 'depleted.' That's a gross misnomer.
It's still highly dangerous and is showing up in the blood and reproductive systems of our troops.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:22 PM
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6. Well it is radioactive, but 40% less so than natural uranium in the ground
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 07:22 PM by Massacure
Natural uranium is safe to touch.

The problem with depleted uranium is that it is a heavy metal and can poison people similar to lead and mercury. It's ironic how they switched from lead to depleted uranium. Out of the frying pan and into the fire I guess.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:52 PM
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11. safe too touch, but not safe to inhale
And inhaling DU dust is the major problem, it is more toxic than a "mere" heavy metal .
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:23 PM
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15. Yes, of course it is more toxic than lead. But it isn't the rad that kills
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 09:24 PM by Massacure
DU normally doesn't cause genetic mutation or birth defects unless you inhale or ingest large amounts of it (large as in grams). However it only takes about 10 milligrams to cause kidney damage because of its chemical toxicity.

Edit: Oh, and I used the World Health Organization website for it. They are pretty fair as they have complained about the U.S. Miltary's use of DU.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:34 PM
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8. I believe this was a reference to the yellowcake and low-enriched U
that was looted from "nucular" reseach facilities in the glorious aftermath of ChimpCo's catastrophically successful preemptive invasion of I-raq.

It was under IAEA seal.

Supposedly "we" got most of it back - that is if you believe anything that ChimpCo sez on the subject...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:57 AM
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17. lol -- you're funny!
oh you weren't kidding?
that's sad.
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:14 AM
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18. Dead wrong about depleted uranium
DU is as radioactive as regular uranium. in addition, when it burns it becomes toxic --- this is what makes it so deadly.

check out this buzz flash movie

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_hi.html
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:29 PM
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7.  "Indeed, it's possible that someone will have a surprise when he opens
his bag"
I guess so.:think:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:45 PM
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10. If that someone made it to US, they are probably dragging him
into federal prison right about now. He is never getting out.
:evilgrin:
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:42 PM
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9. "French police said the explosives were harmless..."
"More than 300 passengers were evacuated..."
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 08:20 PM
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12. I find that very funny, no ?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 08:23 PM
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13. I love the final line in this article:
"Indeed, it's possible that someone will have a surprise when he opens his bag."

I can just imagine this. "Oh help us, terrorists are putting explosives in our grips!" "Good thing THAT didn't explode." "Hmmm, think I'll take it out back and see what it does." etc
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:23 PM
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14. I bet you someone wouldn't know what the stuff is
unless it's marked C4. That's the point where I would shit my pants, then call the cops and tell them there is C4 in the house. Oh joy. :nuke:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:56 AM
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16. whad they do? hire americans?
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:37 AM
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19. And what about this?
Is this a passenger who works for the French Authorities? Because if not, and they just took a passenger at random, what if at a further stop they get intercepted and expected to explain the trace amounts of C4 (or whatever) that was in their bag?

Were those things so perfectly packaged that they can't leave any traces (making them undetectable), because it's assumed they can be detected, and if they can be detected they can leave trace amounts that can be identified down the line.

If I were that passenger, I'd like to know that some French authorities were "temporarily" stuffing explosives into my bag, preferably with an official letter and phone # that I can possibly hope to use when I'm sitting in Guantanamo with no idea of how the C4 magically ended up in my bag.
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Boosterman Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 10:48 AM
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20. excellent point
I have a feeling some rethinking of procedures and training will be forthcoming.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 11:03 AM
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21. Has anyone surrendered yet?
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