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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:04 AM
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New US Homeland Chief Fathered Daughter in Korea
New US Homeland Chief Fathered Daughter in Korea

(date appears at bottom of article: 12-05-2004 21:51)



Bernard Kerik, left, speaks after he
was nominated as new U.S.
homeland security secretary by
President George W. Bush Dec. 3.
/ Yonhap


By Reuben Staines
Staff Reporter
Bernard Kerik, the man tasked with protecting the United States from the threat of terrorist attacks, fathered a daughter with a South Korean woman while serving on the peninsula in the mid-1970s, U.S. media reported over the weekend.

Kerik, who was selected to replace Tom Ridge as secretary of the Homeland Security Department on Thursday, had the baby with a woman identified as Sun-ja after arriving in South Korea as a 19-year-old military policeman in December 1974, according to several reports.

The baby, named Lisa, was born in 1975. But Kerik deserted her and her mother when he left the country in February 1976.

In his 2001 autobiography, titled ``The Lost Son: A Life in Pursuit of Justice,¡¯¡¯ Kerik called the decision ``a mistake I will always regret, and I pray to God that one day I can make it right.¡¯¡¯
(snip/...)

12-05-2004 21:51

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200412/kt2004120521494711990.htm

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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:07 AM
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1. Why is he waiting to "make it right"?
Fucking scumbag deadbeat dad!!!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:12 AM
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24. He'll send a flower to the mother's funeral one day, maybe?
With a note saying, "Sorry."
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:08 PM
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38. Or at least, he's "praying that he can."
Unbelievable.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:10 PM
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50. Lovely example of "personal responsibility",...praying,...not doing.
Gee. I wonder why.

All that "courage" and "heroism" and "morals" and "principles" and "compassion",....

,...all those words,...words without substance,...just words being USED to buy selfish/stingy/spineless comfort which advances this still sad, still suffering, still warring world WE CREATED BY THE POWER OF CHOICE GOD GRACED,....

,...we will GET IT,...

I never give up on humanity. I know we will get it.
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:59 PM
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49. tell me about it, apparently he's never heard of a plane ticket
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:08 AM
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2. WTF he's been able to make it right for a while now. Has he?
NO.

So he's officially a liar as well.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:09 AM
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3. repuke family values....
they never fail to out do themselves.... :puke:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:08 AM
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19. Bingo! n/t
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War Pigs Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:30 PM
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43. Rep. Dan Burton(R) sent his baby's mama $$$ instead of spending
time with the little bugger and it didn't hurt his career with the G(et) O(ther people's) P(ussy), now did it?:wtf:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:18 AM
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63. Indeed. eom
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:12 AM
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4. THUG! n/t
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Norbert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:13 AM
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5. Another youthful indiscression
Repubs sure seem to have a lot of them.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:11 AM
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23. Yeah, but Bush's youthful indescretions continued until he was 40. nt
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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:01 PM
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30. Like us dems don't have them...
we seem to think we are perfect, but how many of us have lived a perfect life? While he may be a scumbag for what he did, at least he is honest about it.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:30 PM
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32. Dems don't tout themselves as morally superior n/t
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VTHoosierPatriot Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:44 PM
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39. We don't claim to be "morally" superior.
That's the whole point. We had to hear for years about Clinton smoking a doobie, and where his penis was amounted to at least one multi-million $ investigation. This guy has millions of dollars in cigarette commisary money and war profiteering funds, but he hasn't made it right with his daughter? How do you defend that?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:41 PM
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47. We don't preach moral values 24/7
That's the whole point. Please tell me one democrat who has abandoned a child.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:14 AM
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6. Boy, is this guy a piece of work or what? n/t
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:18 AM
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11. I think he is waiting to be born again.He will make the perfect student
for the Abstinence Education Program IMO. Then he can choke on a pretzel and we can all die laughing!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:15 AM
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7. wow! geebush's family values in action!
and john kerry rolled over for these guys?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:17 AM
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10. "youthful discretions" I so tire of labeling them as such!! --
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:16 AM
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8. Oh how sweet!
More republican family morals at work!

</sarcasm>

What a low life piece of scum!
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:17 AM
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9. Isn't this the guy who had some sort of rough childhood himself?
One wonders how much support he gave.

I remember a little about him, but I didn't know about this aspect.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:19 AM
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12. at least he admitted his 'youthful discretions"--am waiting for Bush to
admit his!!
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:25 AM
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13. So much for integrity and responsible people in the WH. What a
dead beat, and to think, our tax dollars continue to pay for such crap. The WH has become the junkyard dog house, the meanest dog on in the junk yard is controlling the rest. Disgraceful if you ask me...utterly disgraceful to nominate someone who does the WRONG thing and then never finds retribution but instead, just makes up excuses. This is getting tiring to watch as our country continues to go in the WRONG direction every day.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:21 AM
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14. he prays to God to make it right?
Um, how about addressing your banker instead, armed with an international money order.

And this bad boy is going to manage DHS (which, by most accounts, remains a big mess) with its 150,000 employees?
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:59 AM
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22. Thinking along the same lines...
Worthless sob recently sold 5.5 million dollars of Taser stock. With all the resources to 'investigative' agencies and his own 'super cop' skills, he ought to be able to find that woman and daughter and make them economically secure. He could even exhibit some class and do it anonymously. They don't need to have to see his ugly puss again.


Think I gotta write a few letters to my reps on the 'morals and family values' hypocricy. They need to shoot down this appointment.

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:37 AM
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15. I have zero respect for any parent who leaves their kids
My father left my mom with five children to raise-- he only showed up when we did something good and he had the nerve to try to take the credit for how we turned out.

I do understand that sometimes there are relationships, involving kids, that don't work out. My disdain is for people who leave and don't support their children in any way.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:07 PM
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48. I agree with you
How heartless do you have to be to do that?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:42 AM
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16. rpublican FAMILY VALUES!
Screw em, knock em up...and desert em!
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:39 PM
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52. Or, to put it in the repuke vernacular,
"Find 'em, f*ck 'em and forget 'em!"

Today's GOP-- the Party of (Gotti) Family Values!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:56 AM
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17. A perfect poster boy for repug values.
As a matter of public international relations, Bush and Kerik reflect the collective morality and wisdom of the New 'Murica.



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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:06 AM
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18. Herr Fuhrer's face is disgusting enough, but the duplicity with 'family
values' with Kerik is just plain pathetic.

Why won't those 59 million people SEE what is happening around them?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:12 AM
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20. Dick-wad bastard..I'm writing letters.
Won't do ONE fucking bit of good, but Bayh and Lugar are gonna hear how much CONTEMPT I have for this walking, talking TURD!

I didn't abandon MY daughter, even after her mom moved to another state.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:53 AM
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21. I first heard this on Fox (don't watch Fox)
and they were singing his praises - because the mother & daugher apparently saw him on Oprah and contacted him and they've have a wonderful relationship ever since - isn't that touching.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:02 AM
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56. yeah they'll have a nice relationship
right up until the day they are killed in a mysterious accident.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:17 AM
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25. Republican pregnancy values
Life is cheap.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:22 AM
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26. They've got him pegged for the wrong job. He's be perfect to run Iraq
He uses non-white people in impoverished nations to satisfies his own lusts, then abandons them when he grows bored. Can you thing of a more perfect individual to work for Bush in Iraq?

This wasn't something that happened thirty years ago, either. This was something that happened every day of his life after that, when he didn't go back to Korea and live up to his obligations, choosing instead to pursue his own life here in America. "Sorry, son, but you're brown, or yellow, or something like that. You're more like a pet than a son to me. I'm leaving you here to return to the real world so I can make something of myself. You'll do just fine without me, learning to do whatever you guys do around here. I'll put in a good word for you mom with the GIs."

I knew he was phony-ass coward the moment I saw him. Guess I was right.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:44 AM
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28. Give them time
If he screws up bad enough, Bush will HAVE to promote him.
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IllegalCombatant Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:58 PM
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36. Meet former interim minister of the interior in Iraq and senior adviser to
Meet former interim minister of the interior in Iraq and senior adviser to Paul Bremer...



As violence continues in postwar Iraq and new Iraqi security forces begin to take shape, former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, the outgoing interim minister of the interior in Iraq, discusses security and postwar efforts in the war-torn country.

more...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec03/iraq_09-17.html

Boston Globe: You'll Need Your Retina Scanned to Re-enter Fallujah





http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/12/05/re... /

Returning Fallujans will face clampdown
By Anne Barnard, Globe Staff | December 5, 2004

FALLUJAH, Iraq -- The US military is drawing up plans to keep insurgents from regaining control of this battle-scarred city, but returning residents may find that the measures make Fallujah look more like a police state than the democracy they have been promised.

Under the plans, troops would funnel Fallujans to so-called citizen processing centers on the outskirts of the city to compile a database of their identities through DNA testing and retina scans. Residents would receive badges displaying their home addresses that they must wear at all times. Buses would ferry them into the city, where cars, the deadliest tool of suicide bombers, would be banned.

Marine commanders working in unheated, war-damaged downtown buildings are hammering out the details of their paradoxical task: Bring back the 300,000 residents in time for January elections without letting in insurgents, even though many Fallujans were among the fighters who ruled the city until the US assault drove them out in November, and many others cooperated with fighters out of conviction or fear.

One idea that has stirred debate among Marine officers would require all men to work, for pay, in military-style battalions. Depending on their skills, they would be assigned jobs in construction, waterworks, or rubble-clearing platoons.

source...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1046792

guess he'll bring his iraqi expertise to the homeland :scared:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:35 AM
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27. Amazing, isn't it?
Imagine, nobody in pResident Shrimp's gang of hacks, crooks and crazies did any checking out of Kerik BEFORE putting him up...it seems like all they asked was how loyal he was to the Pirates of Halliburton.

How can people too lazy to read a prospective appointee's autobiography or dig into his past on their own possibly find Osama Bin Laden? No wonder 9/11 happened if this is what passes for "intelligence gathering" in this bunch...

And, by the way, Kerik cut and ran when he had to stand up for his mistress and his child, just as he cut and ran when training the Iraqi police force turned out to be a tough job.

Is that what you want in a Homeland Security Chief? It's sure not what I want.
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:55 AM
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29. history repeats itself
from a write up on his book....

"...Yet Bernard Kerik's most personal battle was not pitched on tough city streets but within himself. For even as he drove himself to seek justice in every corner of the world, this extraordinary man never looked back until he reached the top. And when he did, he faced the greatest unsolved mystery of his life—the tragic mystery of his own mother, who abandoned her young son forty-one years ago."

Hopefully he's in active touch with his daughter these days.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:28 PM
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31. Maybe you didn't read Post #21.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1046404#1046646

Yeah, he's a misunderstood heroic figure. I'm sure the "difficult childhood" explanation which didn't cut Bill Clinton any slack with the Republicans won't go far here, either.

How hard is it to do the right thing toward a poor, lost child you're responsible for fathering?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:54 PM
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33. Send this to the US media
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 01:58 PM by alfredo
and anyone else you can think of.

I didn't see post #21 before I sent this off but still, I would not rely on Fox to tell the truth on this matter.


Here is my letter to the editor.

According to The Korean Times, Bush's nominee for Homeland Security Secretary, Bernard Kerik, fathered a girl during his stay in Korea. That is not so bad in itself, but he abandoned the child and her mother.

The Korean Times quotes him saying, "a mistake I will always regret, and I pray to God that one day I can make it right.’’ He has had since 1976 to make it right, but hasn't. It seems that a man with the money, connections, and expertise could have found his child by now. Regret is not enough to undo the damage he did to his child and her mother.

This administration has touted its values, it is time to put their money where their mouth is by withdrawing the nomination of Bernard Kerik.



source:

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200412/kt2004120521494711990.htm
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:03 PM
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34. The upshot was that the mom and daughter STILL would be clueless
about where he is had they not seen him on the Oprah show. This is a bit of news which did not originate with Fox. It was reported there, by someone who posted it here.

The INFORMATION, not the source was the target.
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IbeaBonehead Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:19 PM
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35. well that is actually a plus with the BUsh clan
If you can walk away and abandon your own child you have the heartlessness to be one of them.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:05 PM
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37. Doesn't that make her a US Citizen?
He acknowledged that he's her Dad.. She and her family should be allowed to come here..Maybe a "family-reunion" is in order
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:07 PM
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40. one can only imagine
what the bluster and blather would be like on hateradio if this guy was a Dem.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:22 PM
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41. I wonder what he has done to 'make it right'
probably nothing. I'm sure he is waiting for God to tell him when the time is right, can't figure it out himself. x(
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:26 PM
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42. I certainly hope
he's at least been sending financial support.

The thing that galls me about this worse than anything is that if this guy were a Dem there's no way he'd be ALLOWED to hold office. They'd smear him five ways to Sunday.

Hypocritical bastards, the lot of 'em.
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War Pigs Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:33 PM
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44. Send her some phat $$$$. G. Gordon Fucking Nutcase called, he wants
his haircut AND mustache back.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:34 PM
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45. kerik = scum
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:39 PM
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46. My god, he looks like G. Gordon Liddy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:wow:
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FoundInTheMaise Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:28 PM
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51. All we need now is our own Ken Starr to destroy his private life
Then we can become like those we despise.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:42 PM
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53. Huh?
Clinton didn't abandon his kid. And the repukes are always blowing their own trumpet about being the "Party of Family Values"

Enjoy your sojourn at DU!
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IllegalCombatant Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:56 PM
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55. you don't have one when you serve the public
been that way for years - not that his public record is any better

no sympathy from me... maybe some will learn the appropriate lessons and change?
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:50 PM
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54. Another Chicken Hawk...
to side step responsibility..
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:14 AM
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57. At the very least, he should stop whining
that his own mother abandoned him. He did the same thing to his daughter.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:24 AM
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58. Now that he is on Shrub's
ass-kissing team, he should be pulling down enough of a "salary"
to make it right. Shouldn't even have to dip into all that extra
capital that comes along with the job.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:27 AM
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59. Republican family values.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:30 AM
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60. It's been almost 30 years to make it right! ...Kerik is full of shit
Kerik is a deserter just like Bush*.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:46 AM
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61. I am speechless
Sometimes I think Bushco does this on purpose, just to rub people's faces in their arrogance and hypocrisy. After all the blathering about family values, the idea that Bush would choose a man who deserted his own daughter as "America's protector" leaves one amazed. Weirdly appropriate though.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:52 AM
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62. He is not unlike millions of US soldiers that have done the same
over our sordid military history going back to the beginnings of our republic.

We might all be better off had the Bible never been written!
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