181,000 voters in U.S. elections were dead

[lovuian]

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181,000 voters in U.S. elections were dead
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Big News Network.com Monday 6th December, 2004

More than 181,000 dead people were listed on the rolls in swing states for the Nov. 2 U.S. presidential election, the Chicago Tribune reported Sunday.

The Tribune reviewed voter data from New Mexico, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Michigan and Minnesota. The newspaper found numerous errors in the integrity of voter rolls.

In addition to the registered deceased, thousands of voters were registered to vote in two locations, which could have allowed them to cast more than one ballot. More than 90,000 other voters in Ohio cast ballots without a valid presidential choice. Either they decided not to choose a candidate, the machine failed to register their choice, or they mistakenly voted for more than one candidate.

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Basicly like the Chicago tribune article but glad other big media papers are starting to show the possible fraud!!!

[KC21304]

1. They were still on the rolls but did they vote ?

I can see that it takes awhile for them to be taken off the rolls.

[lovuian]

3. I think thats going to be the evidence when the Ghost Voter

comes in and votes and he is dead!!! Thats why a recount is important!!!

[uncle ray]

15. which will tell us nothing.

"if" dead people managed to vote in this election, a recount would have no affect, being we have no way of knowing how those dead people voted, at least not that they've let us know about.

[preciousdove]

5. Of course not, but this re enforces a Conservative myth.

Nobody informs calls to inform people they have died nor do they unregister in their old district when they re register at the poll on new residence on the day of voting.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. The percentage of inactive voters casting ballots

was huge in this last election. In FL Bush got over 100% of the REP vote. That means that every registered REP and a fair number of the DEMs and/or INDs voted for Bush. I don't believe it.

[TahitiNut]

8. This is nonsense.

" Data on which voters cast ballots in the November election are not available in some key states as they await county compilations. So it's unclear whether any people registered in two places voted more than once. Likewise, it's impossible to tell whether ballots were cast in the names of the deceased voters on the rolls."

It's NOT "impossible to tell"! All they have to do is see if sombody showed up at the polls as the dead person.

[Yupster]

9. Yeah - being on the rolls is not the problem

Thousands of people die every day.

The question is did they vote.

Harry Carey, the old Cubs broadcaster used to say he wanted to be buried in Chicago so he could still vote.

[da_chimperor]

2. Better link:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0412040222dec04,1,1991292.story

Gotta sign up though, use this for account/password
olympia2004
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from http://www.bugmenot.com/

[sally343434]

4. Misleading

At first, the headline implies that "dead people are voting." But then we read this:

> In addition to the registered deceased...

So, apparently the "dead voters" is a canard. What they mean to say is "dead registrant" -- a perfectly normal occurrence as people will die between registering and voting.

But they want to go on with this nonsense:

> ...thousands of voters were registered to vote in two locations,
> which could have allowed them to cast more than one ballot.

Yes, it "could have." But people move, register at their new location, and vote at their new location. Is there evidence of any widespread or even common instances of people voting twice? Of course not. But I guess that wouldn't be sufficiently inflammatory.

[Yupster]

10. If they do find people voted in two different locations, they

should be punished harshly.

The part about being registered in two places because of a move makes sense to me, but everyone knows you can't vote twice in the same race.

[tk2kewl]

6. "they mistakenly voted for more than one candidate"

this is the biggest joke i ever heard of. if over-votes are not fraud more often than not I'll eat my hat. if you count the vote and you don't like who the voter chose you just punch the other hole as well and, voila, it's a vote for nobody.

[Yupster]

11. This can happen if the ballot is designed poorly

Especially on down ballot races where you don't know the names.

You turn the page and vote for the next group not realizing they are a continuation of the group on the last page.

[Rex]

12. This needs immediate investigation

I'm one of those people that was listed as being able to vote in two seperate counties...but I live in south Texas. I think there may be a bigger picture to this issue than just statewide.

[Eloriel]

13. Be careful with this

I am, of course, deadset against this and do believe it should be investigated and prevented in the future if at all possible.

BUT.

1. This is NOT our biggest problem where elections are concerned; and (even more problematic)

2. This is something that, unfortuantely, Dems have done in the past (so I fear that that's where this is going, a little tit for tat on the election fraud issue not to mention a major DISTRACTION); and (even MORE problematic)

3. This is grist for the mill for combining voting registration databases state-wide (and perhaps further, who knows?) so we keep those pesky dead people from voting, meanwhile how you vote has just been computerized (and DON'T try to tell me that won't happen, at least in the offices of the vendors of the software), and more supposed "felons" can be dropped off the voter registration lists, and more clerical errors can keep new registrants from voting, etc., etc., etc.

I don't trust a THING going on these days, and especially not any "solutions" and the more technology-based, the less I trust them. We need TRANSPARENCY and we need to have our voting processes COMPLETELY under the control of citizens and our elected officials -- not corporations.

[FoundInTheMaise]

14. How many were Republican and how many Democrat?

Can we get this data so we know where the most fraud lies?

[Florida_Geek]

16. Like this is NEW,,, shitttt in Louisana the winner is

the one that got more dead voters than the other canidate.

[Jane Eyre]

17. The number of dead registered voters seems low, considering

The last thing that any family would think about when faced with a death in the family is calling to get the voters' name off the rolls.

I believe that there is a procedure in my state to periodically check the names from the recorded deaths against the voter rolls. Hopefully, there is some sort of safeguard against taking the wrong name off the rolls. For example, Joe Smith Sr. dies and he lives at the same address as Joe Smith Jr., both registered voters at the same address.

181,000 does not seem to be a very large number, considering this is spread across several states and a certain percentage of the population dies every day.

One more caveat: It is possible for a person who is dead on election day to have cast a valid ballot IF that person voted during the early voting period. This happened locally with one of the leaders of the League of Women Voters. She waited in line for over an hour to vote, then died unexpectedly a couple of days later. It made the front page of our newspaper, nicely done article basically affirming that her last days were spent as she would have wished since she got to cast her ballot early.

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. I was listed three times in all of the three cities I have lived in. Title

is misleading. I could have walked into any one of them and voted. My parents said there was no ID asked for, and they weren't asking for mine at my precinct.

[KittyWampus]

19. The Mediawhores Will Do EVERYTHING To Make The Actual Fraud

involving organized and very aggressive instances of vote supression and vote tampering against become confused with "lesser" or even "standard" voting issues.