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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:30 PM
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Eurozone ministers accuse US as dollar sinks to new lows
BRUSSELS (AFP) - European Union (news - web sites) finance ministers pressed for action by the United States to prop up the dollar as eurozone nations expressed their deep disquiet at the parlous state of America's national finances.



With concern mounting about the impact on Europe's ailing economy, French Finance Minister Herve Gaymard called for intervention on the currency markets not just from Europe but also from "the American and Asian authorities".


"This (dollar) slide must not continue, and there needs to be a better management of these rates at the international level," he told French television channel LCI before heading to Brussels for a euro group meeting.


Several European ministers called on the United States to rectify its yawning trade and budget deficits, which are most to blame for the dollar's slide.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1503&ncid=732&e=2&u=/afp/20041206/ts_afp/eu_economy_eurozone
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:34 PM
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1. Oh wow, you mean what happens here has an effect on the global economy?
I got flamed for suggesting such a thing and accused of wanting the world economy to crash. :eyes:
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:36 PM
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4. did you really?
what a trip.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:35 PM
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2. ha! our american government
needs no advice from them thar furriners :evilgrin:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:35 PM
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3. Weak Dollar= Punking Out On Paying Our Debt?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:36 PM
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5. That's the pony I would bet on.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:38 PM
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6. here's an interesting read
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/p72747.asp

excerpt:

7 small steps to crisis

Here, then, is my outline of a 7-step process of creating a full-blown crisis.
Step 1. Nobody notices or pays attention that the dollar is falling.

Step 2. Folks wake up, but they either don't care or rationalize dollar weakness as a good thing.

Step 3. The central banks now know they have a problem, but the bankers think the market will obey them. It will, for a while. (This is the step we have now reached and what emerged at the G7 meeting.)

Step 4. The dollar now tests everyone's resolve by resuming its decline. The currency markets will not respond to jawboning by finance ministers.

Step 5. In this step, the finance ministers are forced to take action. (Think about it. Even if they'd stated that they wanted the dollar to go up, nothing either explicit or implied indicates they'll do anything about what's happening. That will come next.) When they do take action, the market will do what they want -- but only for a while.

Step 6. The ministers take some additional action, but it won't be enough, and the currency markets won't do what the ministers want.

Step 7. Finally, we'll have a full-blown crisis, and that will be the end game.

...more...
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:44 PM
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7. From another angle: Four steps to IMF assimilation
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 02:45 PM by htuttle
From "The Globalizer Who Came In From the Cold"
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=78&row=1


Each nation’s economy is individually analyzed, then, says Stiglitz, the Bank hands every minister the same exact four-step program.

Step One is Privatization - which Stiglitz said could more accurately be called, ‘Briberization.’ Rather than object to the sell-offs of state industries, he said national leaders - using the World Bank’s demands to silence local critics - happily flogged their electricity and water companies. "You could see their eyes widen" at the prospect of 10% commissions paid to Swiss bank accounts for simply shaving a few billion off the sale price of national assets.

(snip)

After briberization, Step Two of the IMF/World Bank one-size-fits-all rescue-your-economy plan is ‘Capital Market Liberalization.’ In theory, capital market deregulation allows investment capital to flow in and out. Unfortunately, as in Indonesia and Brazil, the money simply flowed out and out. Stiglitz calls this the "Hot Money" cycle. Cash comes in for speculation in real estate and currency, then flees at the first whiff of trouble. A nation’s reserves can drain in days, hours. And when that happens, to seduce speculators into returning a nation’s own capital funds, the IMF demands these nations raise interest rates to 30%, 50% and 80%.

(snip)

At this point, the IMF drags the gasping nation to Step Three: Market-Based Pricing, a fancy term for raising prices on food, water and cooking gas. This leads, predictably, to Step-Three-and-a-Half: what Stiglitz calls, ‘The IMF riot.’

The IMF riot is painfully predictable. When a nation is, "down and out, takes advantage and squeezes the last pound of blood out of them. They turn up the heat until, finally, the whole cauldron blows up," as when the IMF eliminated food and fuel subsidies for the poor in Indonesia in 1998. Indonesia exploded into riots, but there are other examples - the Bolivian riots over water prices last year and this February, the riots in Ecuador over the rise in cooking gas prices imposed by the World Bank. You’d almost get the impression that the riot is written into the plan.

(snip)

Now we arrive at Step Four of what the IMF and World Bank call their "poverty reduction strategy": Free Trade. This is free trade by the rules of the World Trade Organization and World Bank, Stiglitz the insider likens free trade WTO-style to the Opium Wars. "That too was about opening markets," he said. As in the 19th century, Europeans and Americans today are kicking down the barriers to sales in Asia, Latin American and Africa, while barricading our own markets against Third World agriculture.

(much more at link)


By my figuring, the US is at the tail end of Step Two right now.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:12 PM
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11. Joseph Stiglitz finally came clean
about the absolute ruination that is caused by IMF policies.

Too bad it was so late and no one was listening.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/bwi-wto/wbank/stigindx.htm

Joseph E. Stiglitz is especially well-known as a critic of the reigning international economic policies and the institutions that enforce them – the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the United States Treasury Department. After a distinguished academic career on the faculty of MIT, Yale and Stanford, Stiglitz joined the Clinton administration in 1993 as member of the Council of Economic Advisors. He later was named the Council’s Chairman. In 1997 he took the post of Senior Vice President and Chief Economist at the World Bank Though a consummate political insider, Stiglitz grew increasingly disillusioned with the failures of neo-liberal policy and began to voice his thinking in public speeches. Increasingly outspoken, he eventually was ousted from his World Bank post, allegedly on orders from US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers. Since leaving the bank, Stiglitz has sharpened his criticism further, making embarrassing revelations about the role of the IMF in the Russian loan scandal, among other things. In mid 2001, he joined faculty of Columbia University and on 10 October 2001, it was announced that he would be awarded the Nobel Prize in Economic Science.

This section contains articles about Stiglitz’s stormy career at the World Bank, texts of some of his speeches and policy papers, media interviews and other materials. Of the many senior staff who have resigned in disgust from the World Bank over the years, Stiglitz has provided us with a deep and intelligent critique.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:14 PM
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12. Agreed. Once again, with this Rogue
administration, I feel like once again we have the revolver pointed at our temples in another game of Russian Roulette. These people are rogues and buccaneers, and they're holding the world hostage to their high-voltage games of brinkmanship (in more areas than just global finance, by the way).

They're DARING the world to let the US currency get flushed down the toilet, as it swirls in the bowl. There's an old saying that is appropriate here: "Never argue with a lunatic, because you will not win".

At this point in the game, I'd like to re-visit the currency meltdown of the Thai Baht. I believe that was in 1992. That currency went down the toilet also, and it had huge reverberations around the world. Now, I realize that Thailand is not a major currency like the dollar, but still. It would be interesting to review that case, and see if there's any similarity between that and the dollar.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 04:55 PM
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17. here's some reading material for you
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1093/is_1_44/ai_71359950/pg_8

excerpt:

Although only Mexico and Thailand had current-account deficits that could be considered problematic, the peso crisis gave warning that external current-account deficits, regardless of the factors underlying them, are not sustainable for long. Furthermore, current-account deficits cannot be assumed to be benign just because the private sector generated them. Also, what matters is not the size of the current-account deficit, but what they are used to finance and the form that the financing takes. If in Mexico much of the investment was used for consumption, in Asia (except in the case of South Korea) much of the investment went into financing asset price inflation and nontradable activities with relatively low returns. The peso crisis also underscored that the correct sequencing of the domestic financial sector and capital account liberalization are essential. Although Mexico had a better supervised and regulated banking sector (a result of the reforms introduced following the banking crisis of the 1980s), it nevertheless suffered a banking crisis like the Asian countries. The lesson is very clear: Transparency m financial operations is critical, and the banking sector should be supervised closely, especially if it wishes to tap international capital markets. All recent financial crises in emerging markets have shown that weak banks and financial institutions worsen a currency crisis. Finally, both in Mexico and in Asia, investors panicked, as they had little or no reliable information about the prevailing economic situation. Given this situation, it is prudent for governments to release and disseminate relevant economic information in a timely and transparent fashion. Awareness of the fundamental economic conditions prevailing in each country would arm investors against rumors and the herd instinct--thereby greatly reducing, if not averting, an economic crisis.

...more...

and you should also read

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj16n2-4.html

excerpt:

The second phase came with the Baker Plan when it became evident that developing countries were not growing out of their debt and in fact were becoming more indebted. The new plan, introduced by U.S. Treasury Secretary James A. Baker in 1985, emphasized new lending to the highly indebted countries based on market conditionality. Thus, the proposal promised $9 billion from the multilateral agencies and $20 billion from commercial banks in exchange for market-oriented reforms in recipient countries--for example, tax reductions, privatization of state-owned enterprises, reduction of trade barriers, and investment liberalization.

By 1987-88, it became apparent that the Baker Plan too had been unsuccessful at either reducing debt or allowing the target countries to grow their way out of debt as had been intended. Like the strategy before it, the Baker Plan was unable to provide the proper incentives for developing countries to introduce consistent market reforms, or for banks to supply new money that would finance such reforms. From the end of 1985 to the end of 1988, net lending from the public sector to the Baker Plan countries amounted to $15.7 billion, while new money from private banks amounted to $12.8 billion (Cline 1995: 210). Paul Krugman (1994: 700) showed that the stock of official creditor loans to the Baker countries rose from $50 billion to $120 billion from 1982 to 1987, while that of bank loans remained at $250 billion from 1982 to 1987, then fell to $225 billion in 1988. It appeared that as commercial banks decreased their debt stock in the Baker countries, the official lenders increased theirs. <1> In short, a slow transfer of private debt to public debt was occurring without a corresponding resolution to the underlying debt crisis.

When the Bush administration assumed office in 1989, the new Secretary of the Treasury, Nicholas Brady, announced that the only way to address the sovereign debt crisis was to encourage the banks to engage in "voluntary" debt-reduction schemes. Countries were to implement market liberalizations in exchange for a reduction of the commercial bank debt, and, in many cases, new money from commercial banks and multilateral agencies. Initial skepticism abounded and much remained into the early 1990s. One observer noted that the plan could be "compared to an offer to sell fire insurance at bargain rates in a town where half the people are arsonists" (Meltzer 1989: 71).

...more...
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 06:57 PM
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19. That's awesome.
Thank you, UIA. I'm on my way home in about 10 minutes, and will read the links.

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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 07:30 PM
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20. In the Asian currency crisis not all nations bowed to the IMF
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 07:32 PM by fedsron2us
The Malaysians were roundly condemned for introducing capital controls that limited the freedom of speculators to screw their economy. Despite all the predictions of disaster Prime Minister Mahathir government weathered the storm without too much difficulty. This has led to some frantic attempts to rewrite history by the western financial media who have claimed that the Malaysians policy was a failure. Unfortunately, for the current masters of the world many countries have realised that the IMF and the World Bank etc can be faced down. This trend has been particularly noticeable in Latin America. The process is being further reinforced by growing influence of China over the world's trading system. The rest of humanity is starting to realise that the masters of the existing financial system are quite literally paper tigers entirely constructed from a huge pile of printed fiat dollars.

edit for typos
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:51 PM
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8. I see EU's next move will be to slap high tarrifs on imports....
...from the U.S. if the Bush administration fails to take the actions needed to curbe the fall of the U.S. dollar against the Euro. That has been the traditional action taken by countries when their trade balance was being threatened. That would send a clear message to Dubya that the Europeans will not put up with uncontrolled deficit spending and low interest rates and then have to pay for the whole thing by taking American goods with cheap paper currency (US dollars).

i.e. The U.S buys 1,000,000 automobiles from EU in the prior year paying for them in the higher valued dollars (average price $25,000.00 each) giving the EU a trade cuurency pool of $25,000,000,000.00 that were worth 0.825 euro's to the U.S dollar or $30.31 euros. That $25 billion is now worth $22.62 euros ($1.34 euros per US dollar) correct?

So, the EU has taken a 23.4% hit from the U.S. mainly because we offer nothing to them that they want in exchange for the trade imbalance. We won't realize new jobs out of this, only a big fat recession! This holds true with most of our trading partners around the world.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:59 PM
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9. Hasn't Ottawa threatened tariffs recently? n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:09 PM
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10. The whole world is threatening retaliation because they have...
...funded George W Bush's annual deficits for the four years he has been in office and now all they are holding are U.S. paper currency that is plunging in value. They can't trade with us unless they buy our over priced weapons, that is all we have to sell, death and destruction in exchange for their valuable resources and cheap labor. The rest of the world is not that stupid.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 04:31 PM
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15. Sheeeeet, Bubba
Don't them yoouropeens unnerstand we're a world power?? They slap tarrfs on us an' we'll bomb 'em back to the stone age. Thass how y'all deal with them heathens.

</Freeper>
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 04:27 PM
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13. TRAIN
WRECK. Head-on COLLISION comin' up.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 04:29 PM
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14. The ECB's tight money policy is also to blame
for the euro's run up.

Especially when you look at the anemic growth and high unemployment in the eurozone the past few years.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 04:45 PM
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16. they may grow slowly but their economy is stable
not on the rollercoaster we ride
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 06:48 PM
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18. Not everywhere
The economies of the UK, Ireland and most of the former Eastern-Bloc countries are thriving.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:53 PM
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22. Of those places you mentioned, only Ireland is in the eurozone. nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 07:32 PM
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21. 'Sinks'? Will they please use another word? Or do no words mean 'sink'?
:eyes:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:40 AM
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23. more pressure from EU: Europe raises pressure on US to prop up dollar
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