Biden sets foot on road to 1600 Pennsylvania

[arcos]

Biden sets foot on road to 1600 Pennsylvania

You can never be too rich or too quick off the mark to express interest in the White House.

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Wednesday became the first to declare his 2008 intentions, if not his candidacy, in what may well turn into a stampede of hopefuls in both parties.

"Are you going to run this time?" Don Imus asked him on MSNBC's Imus in the Morning.

"Well, I'm going to proceed as if I'm going to run," Biden said. He said he would make a "hard" decision in two years, based on whether he thinks the country is ready for him and his ideas. "I don't want to do this for the exercise," he said.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=710&ncid=703&e=5&u=/usatoday/20041209/pl_usatoday/bidensetsfootonroadto1600pennsylvania

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[Obviousman]

1. I actually like Biden

He would have flattened Bush in foriegn policy

[YDogg]

2. I like Biden also ...

... but I wonder how he will play to * sheeple.

[aquart]

8. Are you referring to your fellow Americans?

Maybe you want to work on your tone since you're so concerned how people with "play" to them.

[YDogg]

10. Sorry for being so ...

... uppity. I should remember my place.

[imenja]

4. He's very smart

I disagree with him on his support for Iraq, but he is a very smart man, very competent, and I had thought of him as a great choice for Sec of State in a Democratic administration. I believe he'd be a superb president, even though he's not as "leftist" (whatever that means anymore) as many of us might like.

[Renew Deal]

I don't.

I don't trust him. I think he's slimy.

[leftchick]

3. why don't you work to make sure votes count.....

and count accurately Joe! :eyes:

[imenja]

5. Is there some election controversy in Delaware I'm not familiar with?

Or are you saying he is responsible for the inaction of the Democratic party elsewhere in the country?

[cosmicdot]

20. does the fraud have to be in Delaware?

Our country is in a grave and serious crisis (and danger), and we sure could use some proactive, national leadership a la our Founders now. Our destiny is in the hands of frauds, and 'policy' is being set forth based upon their theft and lies.

I don't think it's too much to expect.

Our government has been usurped. High crimes and treason, imo, have been committed.

IIRC Biden was one of the Senators who during the Electoral College meeting of January 6, 2001, who didn't stand with the Congressional Black Caucus because no one asked him. What kind of leadership is that? We experienced a coup in 2000, and our 'leaders' just stood by and didn't come forward to save our democracy. No, I think they were too busy figuring out how they could take advantage of the situation and catapult themselves.

I would say all our elected and party officials have a responsibility, even if only as Fellow Citizens, to support our country in our time of need.

If one has to ask, here goes: Will our party leaders and elected officials please come to the aid of our country. S.O.S.
A.S.A.P. Time is of the essence.

[imenja]

21. true

Nor did Kerry or even Paul Wellstone. It was shameful. But if you dismiss all candidates based on that, we have virtually no one left.
Sadly, the Democratic party is an organization filled with politicians concerned largely with their own political future. Biden, however, is among the best rather than the worst.

[reprobate]

59. Being the best of a corrupt system don't cut it.

The democratic party is essentially dead for the near future. It is owned by the same money that owns the repugs. The entire system is corrupted by money for campaign contrubutions.

It's far past time for a system that removes the profit incentive from politics. Dean was first to do it and that's probably why he got so much support. He truly scared the system's owners, which is why the media assassinated him.

But I'm such an optimist that I don't think it matters much. The nation is on such a downhill slide into the third world that soon politics will take a back seat to finding food to eat and refrigerator boxes for shelter.

It just seems amazing that such a large nation could be brought down to this in just four years. It certainly seems like there has been an artery of corruption running thru the national heart.

I beleive that the only thing that can halt the slide is a NEW democratic party raised from the grassroots, to take the leadership away from washington and put it back where it belongs, in the hands of the people.

[leftchick]

22. I am saying....

it is pointless for him to run for president if our system of voting is broken. Like John Kerry part II! get it?

[imenja]

25. we can't give up now

We have to fix it. It's up to us. If we decide it's pointless, the Republicans have already won. The politicians will move on the issue when we exert enough pressure for them to do so. They aren't our saviors. We have to pressure them to do the right thing.
I want to work for a state constitutional amendment on voting rights in Florida. Other states also have a process that would make such a measure possible. It worked for the anti-gay marriage folks. It can work for us.

[zann725]

9. If he runs for Pres., that takes him off the 'possible' list of...

Senators who might stand up and contest the Electoral Vote on Jan. 6.

[sportndandy]

6. Great! A conservative dressed in moderates clothing.

I am a Delaware native, and I have no use for Biden. Well, maybe as sec. of state. But seriously, we need a REAL LIBERAL, not somebody that the MSM calls liberal.

[RedCon1]

40. Give me a break

Biden is as liberal as they come. I remember watching him and Mitchell gutting the constitution back in the nineties. I wouldn't vote for him if he were the only candidate running.

[DeaconBlues]

51. Gutting the constitution?

In what way?

[RedCon1]

61. In what way?

In the way that they happily jumped on board the "destroy the second amendment" bandwagon during the days leading up to the assault weapon ban. George Mitchell was the worst but Joe Biden was right there fighting to weaken our constitution too. I can't support someone (anyone) who holds our constitution in such obvious contempt for two reasons: 1.) I am, apparently, a " second amendment knee jerk" and 2.) the Democratic party can't afford to run another Senator with an anti-second amendment voting record. Hopefully the party will realize this but I doubt it.

[DeaconBlues]

64. So, in other words, he was for reasonable gun control laws

Sounds like a plus to me.

[aquart]

7. No.

[JPace]

11. Doesn't any of these guys get it?

Without media outlets to get the Democratic messages out there or a government guaranteed safe voting system, no one on the left is ever going to win a meaningful election again.

[3days]

12. Who gives a shit about all these career poiticians

Where are the blogger candidates?
Screw all the parties, it's time to do it for ourselves.

[SoCalDem]

13. Sheezzzz... another "soggy piece of white-bread"..No thanks

:puke:

What we really need is a 45-55 yr old person with IDEAS..and pizazz...and who is not afraid to shout down the idiots (metaphorically, if not actually)

Biden is another Lieberman,Dole,Gephardt...BBBBBB o RRRRRRRing

[AP]

14. Two things that I don't like about Biden:

(1) I'm convinced he sold out the Dems on the Thomas nomination. They had all the witnesses lined up to coroborate Antia Hill's testimony and Biden closed the hearings and called a vote. Before those witnesses testified, it was still a "he said/she said" thing. After they testified, it would have been very hard for any Senator voting yes on the nomination to get a woman's vote in their next eletion.

I would love to know what he got for Dems that was a fair trade for Thomas's life-time appointment to the SC. His fat head's weight in gold?

(2) I saw a 60 minutes story about Chalabi when the media was trying to prop him up. He was walking around in DC and Biden walked by and WARMLY greeted him. That made me sick. I had no idea how fond Biden was of getting Challabi in power in Iraq at that point, but as events unfolded, I discovered that Biden's warmth towards Chalabi wasn't limited to personal greetings. And look what Chalabi turned out to be.

[sleepyhead]

16. Agreed about the Thomas nomination.

He owes Anita Hill a huge apology. I lost all respect for him after that.

[elsiesummers]

53. Biden won't bring a new constituency or state. Chalabi...

Biden will have the same problems that Kerry did - Biden's a great spokesman - he is fantastic at arguing a case - runs rings around the opposition - but won't bring anything regionally or interest group wise to the ticket.

Chalabi: It seems like we on the outside never got the whole inside story on Chalabi (if walls could talk...). The way the Bush gang cut him loose for disloyalty was like a mafia family would treat one of the sons who double crossed the familla.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

15. is he going to get more hair planted on his head?

plagiarism? what plagiarism? i guess everyone has forgotten about the speech he ripped off.

[Deja Q]

17. Bidet can go flush himself.

He's always been a DINO.

So let him waste his money. That's all what America is about anyway. Money over people.

[TheDonkey]

18. I like Biden, I would get behind his campaign

it would complicate things if he tried to run against Kerry in a primary though since they are very good friends. Very intresting, but both of them might not even run. No one knows yet.

[Nightwing]

19. Give it a rest Joe

You've been a * licker since day one.

[AlCzervik]

23. Didn't he have some plagurizing problem some years back?

I thought that stopped him before from running.

[Zero Division]

44. Was just thinking the same thing. Indeed he did.

Here's a link to a small article about it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/biden.htm

And not just one incident, but apparently several. I wonder how he thinks he'll get past that skeleton in his closet.

[4_Legs_Good]

24. NO MORE SENATORS!!!!

Haven't we learned this yet? Senators cannot win, their voting records are too complicated for Americans to understand.

We need to run governors.

david

[RedCon1]

42. Or East Coast ultra Liberals nt

[PROGRESSIVE1]

26. NO!

[Khephra]

27. I second that "NO!"

[Osamasux]

28. I could deal with Biden as the nominee,

if it ever came to that.

[Deja Q]

58. I wouldn't. Amongst other things, he's so rabidly fascist for the DMCA...

He's a DINO in other respects too.

Again, Bidet can go flush himself.

[wicket]

29. His plagiarism incidents will surely come back to bite him in the ass...

...if he runs again.

[Hosnon]

30. Yea everytime I see him I think to myself that he would be a good

candidate for the Democrats. I'd love to see him run.

[RedCon1]

39. I'd love to see him run... Me too...

in front of a speeding semi-truck.

[no_arbusto]

31. Two words

No, not hair plugs. RAVE ACT.

If Kerry couldn't get the "youth vote", do you really think Biden will?

[Chovexani]

32. WTF is wrong with this party?

Is this the best we can do?! Jesus. Let's do what Michael Moore did and run a plant. Can't get any worse!

[RedCon1]

38. I couldn't agree with you more. Biden sucks. I won't support him.

Why not run George Mitchell why you're at it? Better yet, Hillary Clinton? We might as well learn to enjoy Limabaugh, Coulter and Hannity at this rate.

[grasswire]

33. he's just saying this for media attention

He can't be trusted to be a DEMOCRAT -- too much ego involved. I wouldn't support him, and I don't think he could win. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a cabinet position though.

[Not a robought]

34. Don't think he will be successful

He's not that great on camera. Dick Gephardt is more exciting, if that tells you something.

[sleipnir]

35. He can take another stop off Penn. and back on the highway.

He can walk the walk but still fails to see the trees through the forest. He's done and if we want to avoid conflict, we should avoided placing a sand-which placard on each candidate the corporitists deem "useful but unsafe." It's enough we're forced to conduct business with the lesser of the means, we have to intercede in the changes of the global exchange of ideas and information.

[flordehinojos]

36. he got flamed once before for claiming he had written something he had

actually not written. There is a literary term for what he did. My brain has decided to have a FLORIDA MOMENT and I can't reall the exact word for what Biden did.

[flordehinojos]

48. i just now recalled the word PLAGIARIZING. BIDEN plagiarized some document

claimed the idea was his own original, was discovered and he was flamed.

I tried to "edit" my original post to include the word PLAGIARISM which I just now recalled--but the editing period had expired, so i am posting all a new.

[kath]

37. EWWWWW, EWWWWW, ewwwwww and ewwwwww.

he's such a frickin' lameass.

(thanks for putting Thomas on the SC, Biden, you lameass loser!)

[Swamp Rat]

41. ¡Huey puta! NO!

Not another sleezeball repuke-lite senator. NO WAY!!!

¡Yo odio este cara de picha!... pendejo, PLAYO!

[Pastiche423]

43. Biden?

[elsiesummers]

45. I like Biden a lot but he is from tiny, Democratic, Delaware

Biden is the only candidate who didn't run who could have shifted my support from Edwards.

But now I see the art of winning elections as, first and foremost, a statistical game.

If we learned NOTHING else from this past election, it is that however good the candidate, if he(she) doesn't bring either a red state or a demographic special interest group that we don't already have, the deck is stacked against us.

Maybe Hillary, because of fame and name recognition, could be the exception (but I doubt it).

They are doing this as a plotline on the West Wing right now. Republican from California versus (guessing this part from the show clues) a Democrat from Texas.

The perfect candiate would be a Latino Democrat from a large red state, IMO. Barring that, either a Latino candidate or a Red State candidate, or maybe Born Again (like Jimmy Carter), or, who knows, some group we don't have already.

The candidate needs to bring us an unnatural constituency. We need to play for an area that is Republican turf.

[WCGreen]

46. Biden is an articulate spokesman on forging

policy and is loved by the MSM. Let him take his shot's at GWB. He gets media attention and will now get more because of his intentions....

Clark should announce that he is interested ASAP

[Zhade]

47. NO. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I will NOT vote for that man to become president.

[PATRICK]

49. Putting him in the range

of known Dem losers and non-starters he falls pathetically in between.
He should know better unless he thinks this gives him some attention and influence in his truncated role as a polite minority in Congress.

1000 X no. Yes I'd vote for him. And for damn sure he'd lose just about to any GOP choice under nearly every scenario. Every rational one.

Well, then again with that handwriting on the wall maybe there would be a third alternative.

They would be good for the planet if they knew which one they were living on.

[geek tragedy]

50. Another East coast liberal Senator? I like Joe, but he's not the answer

this time.

[SKKY]

52. Here's my ticket...

I think an Edwards/Newsom ticket would be compelling.

[Roxy66]

54. I really like Biden...he would stand up to the repugs!!

He has been one of the most articulate speakers for our party...besides Dean. He has no problem with fighting back against the trashers of the Republican party.

[elsiesummers]

56. Biden is feisty - but not the right candidate to win.

You are right that Biden is articulate and runs rings around Republicans.

I wish Biden had Harry Reid's job.

I've always been a huge Biden fan (Levin is my other feisty favorite) but this last election made me more pragmatic.

The problem I see with both Biden and Dean - they don't bring any new group to the table. Dean unfortunately also makes frustrating to watch missteps/miscalculations (especially on the South) that Biden would never make.

[arcos]

63. well, at least young voters don't hate Dean like they do Biden n/t

[Pithy Cherub]

55. Great senator!

An unpalatable presidential prospect.

Didn't want to plagiarize anyone else's answer...

[Walt Starr]

57. Okaaaaaay, starting a list of Democrats I WILL NOT vote for if nominated

1) Joe Lieberman
2) Joe Biden
3) I haven't decided on #3 yet.

Yep, I mean it, I will vote third party. I will not accept them as candidates.

John Kerry is currently in the running for number 3 because losers should not be given second chances.

[reprobate]

60. I cannot support or vote for anyone now in DC.

What we need is a new dem party with candidates from the botton of the system, not the top.

Someone with the charisma to attract people and a personality that the masses can identify with. No one other than democrats-and not all of them-identified with Kerry. That was the problem. We put forth one of the elite and expected Joe Sixpack to think he was on their side.What bullshit!

And if this new hypothetical candidate has to prevaricate once in a while just to attract voters, well that's just too bad.

Politics in america is no longer a gentlemen's sport. Politics has become as corrupt as the system it perports to support. It's time we realized that, or just give up. We aren't even a decent opposition party now.

[tedzbear]

62. Go right ahead.

I've re-registered as a Green Party member for the next election. No more will I vote for Repugs in Democrat clothing.