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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:19 PM
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White House Puts Blame on Kerik
Nominee Initially Denied Having Hired an Illegal Immigrant, Officials Say

By Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 12, 2004; Page A01

White House officials yesterday blamed Bernard B. Kerik for repeatedly failing to disclose potential legal problems to administration lawyers vetting his nomination to be homeland security secretary, as President Bush prepared to quickly name a replacement and try to put the controversy over the former New York police commissioner's background behind him.

Kerik, who withdrew his own nomination Friday and apologized yesterday for embarrassing Bush, was asked numerous times by White House lawyers if he had employed an illegal immigrant or failed to pay taxes on domestic help, the sources said.

Kerik was told he would humiliate his family, himself and the president if he lied on either account, the officials said. He responded with firm denials. After digging deeper, however, Kerik said he discovered last week that he might have a problem on both accounts and withdrew his name.

In the vetting process, which was conducted by the office of White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales, Kerik also never mentioned that a New Jersey judge had issued a warrant for his arrest in 1998 over a civil dispute over unpaid bills, the sources said. The existence of the dispute was first reported by Newsweek Friday night.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57960-2004Dec11.html
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:20 PM
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1. And he's a cop?
Any chance he would lie on the stand?

Nahhhhhh.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:56 AM
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38. WHAT ELSE WAS IN THE CLOSET?
Oh, CNN will never tell us, Wolf just gets off flaunting his brown lipstick!
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:13 PM
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55. Leslie always demands the best make-up money can buy.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:21 PM
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2. NOTHING is ever their fault
EVER.

The buck stops >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over there.>>>>>>>
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:02 AM
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36. EXAAAACTLY!
I'm so sick of it...that's the first thing about this story I noticed today...The White House passing the buck...AGAIN!
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:53 AM
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54. Bernie's fault? What about the people propping him up? We're not stupid...
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:22 PM
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3. Uhhh...No
I mean yes...I mean...now I remember...


I'm feelin' real secure about shrub's choices...oh yeah...real secure.

:scared:
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:23 PM
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4. Just too good. ROFLMAO
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 09:26 PM by gordianot
Never mind all his potential shady business dealings. Oh that Bushco is prime for laughs.

Just remebered something wasn't the only mistake Bush would admit to in debates was hiring the wrong people. Oh wait this is the other guys fault. Kerry and Clinton made him do it.
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:03 AM
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40. Oh, that evil Clinton penis!
When will it stop with it's shenanigans? :eyes:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:24 PM
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5. Bush accept responsibility for a mistake? Never.
He blames OBL completely for not being found. OBL should have been a gentleman and turned himself in. He should be honest and up-front and keep Bush from having to investage and search for him.

Bush is really a piece os.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:24 PM
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6. Seems a bit more serious than "nannygate"!
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 09:25 PM by saracat
Interesting that the warrent was regarded as not a big deal by the WH and they think Kerick could have survived that but the nanny problem was serious? I guess they don't like the light that puts Bush's guest worker program in? LOL!
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:24 PM
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7. A lesson from Blair
Blair got Gilligan screwed from the BBC from reporting what turned
out to be the truth.... and even got the BBC to apologize to him for
being a ball faced liar, when their reporter was deemed innapropriate
to have told the truth.

The future of justice in media is typical. Blame the innocent and
accept no responsibility.... the bush way of crime.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:24 PM
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8. The WH quickly turning on Kerik brings to mind this song
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 09:26 PM by Goldeneye
You with the sad eyes
Don't be discouraged
Oh I realize
It's hard to take courage
In a world full of people
You can lose sight of it all
And the darkness, inside you
Can make you feel so small

But I see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors are beautiful,
Like a rainbow

Show me a smile then,
Don't be unhappy, can't remember
When I last saw you laughing
If this world makes you crazy
And you've taken all you can bear
You call me up
Because you know I'll be there

And I'll see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors are beautiful,
Like a rainbow

So sad eyes
Discouraged now
Realize

When this world makes you crazy
And you've taken all you can bear
You call me up
Because you know I'll be there

And I'll see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors, true colors

Cos there's a shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors, true colors
True colors are beautiful.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:26 PM
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9. He did it! She did it! They did it! Look over there!
The new motto that ought to be emblazoned on the Presidential Seal: "I didn't do it."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:56 PM
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20. Or a good bumper sticker? nt
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:02 PM
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21. LOL
The Bart Simpson president :D
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:26 PM
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10. I don't see any problem with his nomination...
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 09:28 PM by Kenergy
He's as dishonest as the rest of the Bush admin.
He needs to run on the Republican ticket in '08.











<sarcasm >
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:30 PM
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13. Smile :)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:28 PM
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11. Smokescreen Galore
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 09:29 PM by quiet.american
So, none of this other stuff mattered as well?

Kerik's relationship to a stun gun manufacture presents a serious conflict of interest.

Kerik abandoned a critical post in Iraq to go on vacation.

Kerik used his New York Police Department credentials to shill for pharmaceutical interests.

Kerik, who recently made millions in the private sector, once filed for personal bankruptcy as a New York cop.

NEWSWEEK has discovered that a New Jersey judge in 1998 had issued an arrest warrant (for Kerik) as part of a convoluted series of lawsuits relating to unpaid bills on his condo.


http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=83323&lftnav=talkingpoints

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6697161/site/newsweek/



"Moral values" on the march.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:14 PM
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29. Exactly!
Kerik's "nannygate" is just a smoke screen to distract from those far more serious transgressions. And, of course, it gives the media whores their cue to remind everyone of Zoe Baird. See, it IS always Clinton's fault.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:17 PM
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30. "See, it IS always Clinton's fault."
Hello!
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:26 PM
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34. Are you kidding..

Kerik's relationship to a stun gun manufacture presents a serious conflict of interest.


Kerik abandoned a critical post in Iraq to go on vacation.

Replace Kerik with Bush & Stun gun manufacturer with oil business - that's Bush resume right there for you!
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liberalcanuck Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 06:52 AM
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52. I'm sure there's much, much more. I think these snips are worth
further reading...

It was this personal connection to Giuliani that paved the way to Kerik’s wealth and fame. A martial arts expert, he had served in the military, worked as the warden of a county jail in New Jersey, and later as a security contractor for the Saudi monarchy. He then joined the New York City Police Department, working on drug busts as an undercover agent.

(snip)

After Giuliani’s election, he was rewarded for these personal services with a series of increasingly senior posts in the city hierarchy—first as a deputy commissioner, then as head of the Correction Department, and finally as commissioner of the NYPD. He left in his wake a series of corruption scandals, and a residue of bitterness over the subjective and vindictive way in which he rewarded his supporters and punished anyone who challenged him.

(snip)

Although Kerik left the jail system in August 2000, after he was tapped to head the NYPD, a series of scandals arising from his tenure continues to generate investigations. Among them is a kickback scheme engineered between the Correction Department and major tobacco companies on the sale of cigarettes to inmates.

Previously, the tobacco companies had provided sports equipment and similar items in return for control of the lucrative jail market. After Kerik’s arrival in 1995, however, a new deal was negotiated in which the companies paid out checks to a newly formed foundation that collected and disbursed funds without any city oversight.

(snip)

Up to a million dollars was spent by the foundation. No accounting has been provided of these expenditures, either to the city or the Internal Revenue Service.

In a separate operation now under investigation by prosecutors, Kerik’s top aide reorganized the jail system’s handling of scrap metal, which had previously been turned over to the city for resale. Under Kerik’s watch, an off-the-books operation was set up in which the metal was directly sold to private dealers. Investigators are trying to determine what happened to the proceeds, which amounted to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

(snip)

Kerik’s two top lieutenants at the city jails—his successor as commissioner, William Fraser, and Anthony Serra, the officer who was in command at Rikers Island—have both been forced to resign because of the mounting scandals. Both men were accused of coercing subordinates to perform work at their homes. In Serra’s case, jail guards have charged that he forced them to work for Republican Party campaigns.

(snip)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/dec2004/keri-d04.shtml
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 06:56 AM
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53. With Kerik's Tongue Firmly Anchored...
...in the depths of Guiliani's anus, perhaps he will drag that dirty SOB down with him.

Hey Kerik! Welcome to the ranks of the disgruntled! Write it allllll down.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:04 PM
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58. Sounds like insider stock trading got Kerik his millions
After being bankrupt less than five years ago, he suddenly became a millionaire when the stock he owned in security companies went sky-high after......(wait for it).........our invasion of Iraq!!

What a coinkydink!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:19 PM
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59. EXACTLY ! WELL SAID !! n/t
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:29 PM
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12. and they made sure he said clearly it was his own mistake...
gosh, i knew he was scripted on that one by our teflon don........
i love when he does it, it's a mistake, and for the rest of us, that would be called a crime, right? Sheesh!
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:17 PM
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31. Bend over, whipping boy n/t
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:30 PM
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14. It also makes Rudi, the nation's mayor, look a fool
and remind people how unpopular he was in NYC prior to 9/11.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:32 PM
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16. THAT is the real icing on this cake
.
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:03 PM
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22. no, no, wrong angle. He was rudolf's driver ....
so what did he see? what did he do?
clearly rudolf owes him big time, but what for?
how does a driver move up so fast?

Guilliani and Partners, Guilliani/Kerik Inc ?

how so fast?
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:26 AM
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46. I'd like to know the answer to that one ...
Guilliani needs some checking out for all the spew he put out during the campaign. You just know he has some trash piles that haven't been sorted through, yet. And I just bet that his 'driver' knows where they are! One *ush underling at a time, lose the underpinnings & let him try to stand on his own - he can't do all his 'hard work' w/out his henchmen. One down ... NEXT please!

(don't know which one of them I dislike most - but since Kerik is done, I guess Guilliani moves into the lead)
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:42 AM
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48. Finally!
I'm waiting to see if their connection will be further explored in the press.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2815691&mesg_id=2817632
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:30 PM
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15. I see that Gonzales

applied the same intense review to vetting Kerik as he did to the execution memos while he was in Texas.

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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:24 PM
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60. It warms my Democratic heart to think how p.o.'d the old boy must be!!!
You know how he likes everything to go SO perfectly and now he has egg all over his little beaky nose.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:35 PM
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17. The WH knew all about it. Until it got into the press Shrub
was gung ho for Kerick.
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:37 PM
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18. clinton's fault again. damnit it can't bill do anything?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:53 PM
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19. Kerry also had something to with this.
He made Bush admit his mistakes in hiring the wrong people during the debates.

But you're right Clinton's fault!
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:08 PM
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23. Yep,,,, ol Bill Clinton strikes again!!
or Hillary

or Kerry

or the godless liberals

:nopity:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:17 PM
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24. What insulting propaganda. This has nothing to do with "nannygate".
I hope Americans are growing tired of the conveyor belt of lies.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:54 PM
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25. So true
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:58 PM
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26. So GONZALEZ Fucked Up the Vetting, in Other Words n/t
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Really! How hard is it to unearth an old arrest warrant?
BUSH league
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:35 PM
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35. He just killed in Texas.
Remember all the one-page case summaries of the condemned the great legal mind created for his Big Boss "man"? Not a single one introduced the thought of compassion, even based simply on exculpatory evidence. Of course, consider what he works for. Bush actually ridiculed Karl Faye Tucker. To me, that's proof the Little Turd from Crawford is nothing more than Satan's Monkey.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:10 AM
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41. A Man Of God He Is Not
Look what Bush has done to Christ's Golden Rule. Says it all as to where his heart is.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:06 PM
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28. How did someone like Kerik continue to fall upwards in the past 25 years?
Very strange and very interesting
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:22 PM
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33. He was a good driver?
Passed from meister to pupil, Reverse Robin Hood must be a neo-Conman Thing:

The Curse of Dick Cheney

The veep's career has been marred by one disaster after another


By T.D. ALLMAN

Should George W. Bush win this election, it will give him the distinction of being the first occupant of the White House to have survived naming Dick Cheney to a post in his administration. The Cheney jinx first manifested itself at the presidential level back in 1969, when Richard Nixon appointed him to his first job in the executive branch. It surfaced again in 1975, when Gerald Ford made Cheney his chief of staff and then -- with Cheney's help -- lost the 1976 election. George H.W. Bush, having named Cheney secretary of defense, was defeated for re-election in 1992. The ever-canny Ronald Reagan was the only Republican president since Eisenhower who managed to serve two full terms. He is also the only one not to have appointed Dick Cheney to office.

This pattern of misplaced confidence in Cheney, followed by disastrous results, runs throughout his life -- from his days as a dropout at Yale to the geopolitical chaos he has helped create in Baghdad. Once you get to know his history, the cycle becomes clear: First, Cheney impresses someone rich or powerful, who causes unearned wealth and power to be conferred on him. Then, when things go wrong, he blames others and moves on to a new situation even more advantageous to himself.

"Cheney's manner and authority of voice far outstrip his true abilities," says Chas Freeman, who served under Bush's father as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. "It was clear from the start that Bush required adult supervision -- but it turns out Cheney has even worse instincts. He does not understand that when you act recklessly, your mistakes will come back and bite you on the ass."

Cheney's record of mistakes begins in 1959, when Tom Stroock, a Republican politician-businessman in Casper, Wyoming, got Cheney, then a senior at Natrona County High School, a scholarship to Yale. "Dick was the all-American boy, in the top ten percent of his class," Stroock says. "He seemed a natural." But instead of triumphing, Cheney failed. "He spent his time partying with guys who loved football but weren't varsity quality," recalls Stephen Billings, an Episcopalian minister who roomed with him during Cheney's freshman (and only full) year at Yale. "His idea was, you didn't need to master the material," says his other roommate, Jacob Plotkin. "He passed one psych course without attending class or studying, and he was proud of that. But there are some things you can't bluff, and Dick reached a point where you couldn't recover."

Cheney might have been flunking in the classroom, but he excelled at making connections. "Dick always had this very calm way of talking," recalls Plotkin, now a retired math professor at Michigan State University. "His thoughtful manner impressed people." Forty years before the son of a U.S. president picked Cheney to be his running mate, the son of a Massachusetts governor picked him to be his sophomore-year roommate. Mark Furcolo, whose father, Foster, had been elected governor as a Democrat, invited Cheney to Cape Cod for a visit. "Dick came back enraptured," Plotkin says. "He was fascinated by the official state cars and planes. The trappings of it got him."

CONTINUED...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/rnd/1094661464223/has-player/false/id/6450422?rnd=1102821235198&has-player=true
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 06:50 AM
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51. Kerik is master of the art ass kissing
He does his master's bidding.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:21 PM
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32. This is good material for the Amos & Andy show!
Can you fucking believe this administration?
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:28 AM
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37. Why aren't they blaming Clinton?
I'm confused here ....
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:58 AM
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39. Methinks Rudy Guiliani Got His Kneecaps Broken
yes, indeedie I do.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:12 AM
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42. This has NOTHING to do with the illegal immigrant maid
I PROMISE you. Hell, FAR worse has been revealed about different people associated with bush than THIS!

No. He was asked to withdraw his name. And for far worse reasons than this. That is my strong suspicion. This is nothing to the neocons.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:21 AM
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43. Put the blame on Mame, boys
Or on the Bosa Nova.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:31 AM
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44. Sounds like Bush wants some serious grovelling now
This guy is a jerk, so I don't have any sympathy (the abandonment of his daughter in Korea did it for me), but the Bush administration's need for abject apologies, grovelling, and condemnation is disturbing.

Perhaps DU needs to lend grovelbot to Bush for a while, and calm him down.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:54 AM
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45. don't ever expect bush to admit to any mistakes or missteps other than
eating extra donuts. bush wanted the GOON simply because he is a goon who would have simply followed bush's goonish evil impulses without question. now that some made some ruckus about it, kerik is put out to hang--not bush.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:33 AM
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47. Who says they don't trust the liberal media?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:00 AM
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49. When has the bush admin accepted responsibility for ANYTHING?
Answer: NEVER
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 06:27 AM
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50. theres more about him screwing over a colleague at the DOC
Dept of Corrections becasue the guy repremanded a corrections officer Kerick was having an affair with. There was testimony about this this week, and a hearing about getting it sealed.
Just saw Rudy grovel on the news! Priceless!! Idiot thinking he has a future with the Repugs!?! LOL!! An Italian from NYC?? HA! What an idiot!
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:07 PM
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56. Has bush never heard of a background check?
I guess he's hoping most Americans don't realize that such things exist.

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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:59 PM
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57. He favors fast tracking everything.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:51 PM
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61. Don't they investigate their nominees before nominating? Geesh
Then again they probably figured they could sneak it by since the media has been doing a poor job of checking things out and/or involved in keeping it hidden.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:37 PM
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62. Well, he couldn't blame Giuliani nor himself.
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