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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:29 PM
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Soldiers have hard time killing dogs, as human flesh decay to prevent
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 02:53 PM by alexisfree
makes me sick

"This is hard on these guys, especially killing the dogs. But these animals have been eating dead bodies. They can spread disease,"

http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041210033510.1bgx7r1p.xml



FALLUJAH, Iraq (AFP) - US troops fire off another volley of shots amid the trashed houses of Fallujah, hunting down new adversaries carrying a potentially deadly weapon that threatens to plague reconstruction efforts.

But this time the marines are not chasing down the insurgents who they defeated in a devastating assault on the city last month. Their quarry is stray animals grown fat on the flesh from corpses and who could harbor rabies.

The marines gather briefly over a pile of trash, one pointing across the dirt lot to a row of burned out homes where moments before a dog was seen loping for cover amid the ruined buildings.

"I think we wounded a couple and they took off that way," he said, as another marine pulled his quarry onto a ridge, its bloodied head rolling side to side in the dust.

As their numbers have swelled, so has the risk the animals pose to the tens of thousands of people expected to return to Fallujah in the coming weeks. The marines have been told to organize special details to "thin out" the battered city's animal population.

Medical personnel say rabies is one of the biggest threats to people returning to the city. Cases of the disease were already reported in humans in Al-Anbar province before the Fallujah attack.

"Rabies, and standing water, are our most immediate concerns," said Captain Dennis Staggs, a surgeon with the 1st Marine Exepditionary Force (MEF), adding that among a host of measures suggested to head off a health crisis, medical officers said feral animals should be cleared from the city.

"If you consider the entire public health situation, with nobody in town, there's no public health crisis, and if it is prepared correctly there won't be a health crisis," Staggs said Wednesday.

Standing by his humvee last week in northern Fallujah, marine Lance Corporal Will Lathrop of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit said, "The problem has gotten bad enough that there's actually an order for this," referring to a command issued recently to deal with Fallujah's feral animals.

His convoy of three humvees and a truck had rolled briefly into the school occupied by 1st Battalion, 3rd Marines' Charlie Company and several men with shotguns stood around the vehicles smoking.

Rock-n-roll played loudly from one of the vehicle's radios as marines just outside the base walls fired off several more shots at flashes of fur among the piles of rubble.

It was a good day for this self-described "goon squad" -- a dozen or so black plastic trash bags heavy with dead animals were dumped unceremoniously in the back of a truck.

"It eliminates the threat," marine Lieutenant Lyle Gilbert, spokesman for the 1st MEF, said Wednesday.

"Before they (residents) go into the city, dogs and cats probably should be cleared out. They're a source of rabies and other diseases."

But there was none of the bloodlust that many marines say they felt last month as they stormed the Sunni-Muslim enclave and wrested it away from insurgents during several days of vicious fighting.

A gunnery sergeant stalked past the convoy, tersely ordering his executioners to put on surgical gloves before handling the dead animals, his mouth pulled into the tight grimace of a man trying to finish the job before him as quickly as possible.

"This is hard on these guys, especially killing the dogs. But these animals have been eating dead bodies. They can spread disease," said Lieutenant Aaron Brown, grimly reciting the toll for the day -- several cats and at least one dog
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Guarionex Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:32 PM
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1. God...fucking inhuman pigs...
"this is hard on these guys, especially killing the dogs."

What about the HUMAN corpses next to the dogs? Had a hard time killing them too...

Sickening...just sickening...

SHAME ON YOU, AMERICA!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:44 PM
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5. Just to play devil's advocate for a brief moment (& I agree with
the points all are making), but I imagine these troops rationalize this as the humans were a threat and the dogs were innocent "bystanders." While you and I know that there is every reason to believe many many innocent (nonthreatening) civilians were killed, I'm sure the troops are in mega denial on this issue, so to them, the dogs represent the innocent "civilians."

But, yes, this is the depiction of hell on earth...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:52 PM
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22. But when one uses their brain (even just a little) they surely could...
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 03:53 PM by NNN0LHI
...just as easily rationalize that these human beings that they are killing and who are now in the process of being eaten by dogs had never done anything to America or its people until the USA invaded their country almost 2 years ago. So it has now come down to our soldiers are killing Iraqis so the USA can be in control of Iraq's oil fields. Not much room for to play devil's advocate in this situation if one is willing to look at this sincerely. I am not that bright and can rationalize this deal pretty darn easy. Why can't they?

Don

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:38 PM
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32. Most just underestimate the INSANITY of war.
Let me try to make one thing clear: 'sanity' is NOT a survival trait in a war zone. NOTHING makes 'normal' sense. This is the single most difficult thing to comprehend for those who have not experienced it - and no degree of description on my part (or that of others) can possibly convey how pervasive this insanity infects all manner of thinking.

Lest you think war is sane, please allow me to disabuse you of that notion.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:57 PM
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35. But these guys are not just dropped into a war zone out of no where
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 04:58 PM by NNN0LHI
These guys are making conscious decisions to place themselves into this situation long before they actually end up there. At least a year before. And most have been back home at least once for some soul searching away from the war zone for extended periods. What explains that disconnect?

Don

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:46 PM
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33. Well, there's the question for at least 58 million of us, now isn't it?
And, the world is as baffled as are we.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:13 PM
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25. But the human enemies have been demonized by our authority
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 04:13 PM by Southsideirish
figures as monsters and devils while dogs are dogs the world over.
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:36 PM
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2. If there were ever an apt description of hell
I believe I just read it. May God have mercy on us all.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:42 PM
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3. They just left dead people laying around without turning the deceased
over to the families?
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:46 PM
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6. the familes are dead in the next room
no one to turn them over to
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:48 PM
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8. Ummmm, they should have said:
"Time out...Stop shooting...I'm going out to recover the bodies."
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:44 PM
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4. Just when you think it's hit bottom, it plumbs new depths
Maybe there wouldn't be a health crisis now if THEY HADN'T KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Jeezus fucking krist.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:46 PM
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7. Why didn't you put the proper title to the article
Your title is flamebait.

The REAL title is about preventing rabies.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:48 PM
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9. Yes.. I just now noticed that....
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:54 PM
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11. It's pure flamebait!
The Turkish press has a good article...the poster used this to make U.S. Troops look like savages.

Ugly things happen in war.

That's why so many Dems were wrong to vote yes on IWR...beginning with Kerry/Edwards.

Hypocrisy all around.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:03 PM
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12. A minor aside--it also breaks the rules for posting in LBN
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:07 PM
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14. Nah the US forces aren't salvages! Nah! they just killd over 100,000
people for no reason, well maybe for the oil. Yup over 100,000 HUMANS (inlcude women, children, men) FOR WHAT?????????? Don't give stupidity that Saddam had WMD...IT WAS FOR OIL. THE USA will run out of oil by 2010 they needed the second biggest reserve in the world...YOU GOT IT IRAQ. The article itself gives us an insight as to how people have a hard time killing a dog or cat, however humans lay waste.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:10 PM
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24. Did you or did you not Make Up a Title
to further your political beliefs?
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:17 PM
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16. AP: U.S. helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the
Nah we are not savages!!! not the bit

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041114/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_escaping_fallujah_1

"I decided to swim ... but I changed my mind after seeing U.S. helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the river.He watched horrified as a family of five was shot dead as they tried to cross. Then, he "helped bury a man by the river bank, with my own hands.I kept walking along the river for two hours and I could still see some U.S. snipers ready to shoot anyone who might swim. I quit the idea of crossing the river and walked for about five hours through orchards.
He met a peasant family, who gave him refuge in their house for two days. Hussein knew a driver in the region and sent a message to another AP colleague, Ali Ahmed, in nearby Ramadi."
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:13 PM
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26. Did you or did you not
completely change the title of the story?

You are not a newspaper editor...if you want to post opinion, don't do it in LBN headlines.
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Dem12345 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:52 PM
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10. Not about dogs...
Though I'd have to agree that though innocents have very likely been killed, this is flamebait. It MIGHT be a little harder to kill a dog which isn't trying to put a bullet through your forehead...
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:07 PM
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13. There are pictures of the dead at this link
which was posted here on DU yesterday. I believe these are from Fallujah and they are pretty awful. The corpses of Iraqis are being left behind to decay in their homes and in the streets.

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album28&page=1
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:11 PM
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15. The real story: systematically killing the livestock (Dahr Jamail)
“The Americans shot every boat on the river because people were trying to escape Fallujah by the river. They shot all the sheep, any animal people owned was shot. Helicopters shot all the animals and anything that moved in all the villages surrounding Fallujah during the fighting.”

He said that none of the roads into Fallujah, or around Fallujah were passable because anyone on them was shot. “I know one family that were all killed. There are no signs on these roads that tell people not to use them-so people don’t know they aren’t supposed to use them. No signs in English or Arabic!”

(more)

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/dispatches/000155.php#more


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:37 PM
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31. I hope I live to see the day....
that bushco* pays for these war crimes.

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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:20 PM
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17. killing dogs hard, killing humans easy
praise Jesus Bush
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:21 PM
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18. We are now like the Russians in Afghanistan
and it's going about as well for us as for them.

I'm glad I'm in California. When the country breaks up, I'll be in a pretty good spot.

If we can only get rid of Ahnold.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:22 PM
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19. I don‘t think God‘s opposed to the war, says Pat Robertson
I don‘t think God‘s opposed to the war

INTERVIEW TODAY ON HARDBALL transcript below

BROWN: I want to ask you how you feel about the war in Iraq. And if God is calling this war a disaster, does that mean that he is actually opposed to it?

ROBERTSON: Well, I don‘t think God‘s opposed to the war, necessarily, but it was a danger sign. I felt very uneasy about it from the very get-go. Whenever I heard about it, I knew it was going to be trouble. I warned the president. I only met with him once. I said, You better prepare the American people for some serious casualties. And he said,

Oh, no, our troops are, you know, so well protected, we don‘t have to worry about that.

But it has been messy. And I think we‘re going to come out of it, though. I think we‘ll have a free Iraq. But it certainly has been a mess so far.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:41 PM
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20. Excuse me, but what about the Bubonic Plague?
Wasn't part of the reason for its spread due to the near annihilation of cats due to a religious fervor?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:41 PM
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21. Is this all part of the "Cake Walk" that Bush/media promised us?
n/t???
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:06 PM
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23. Thanks for everything ...
... *, you major league asshole.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:25 PM
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27. Dogs "Unclean", i thought, in Islam areas? true?
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 04:30 PM by oscar111
I thought no dogs were allowed in moslem areas, as being Unclean Animals. Same category as pigs, which is a more widely known ban.

anyone able to educate me on this point?

I'm just talking history and religion-doctrine, not making any snide inferences or such.

I am a big dog-lover, had dogs all my life with some gaps. Beagles, mostly.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:35 PM
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29. I think that just means they can't eat dogs.
Usually the 'unclean' label in religion is just for consumption. I could be wrong.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:36 PM
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30. Dogs are unclean and therefore not allowed in the house
they are often kept chained in the yard though. They are not pets, they are merely angry animals gaurding the house that occasionally feed them.
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Caledonia Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:34 PM
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28. This is seriously messed up...
How long have they been lying there? At least two weeks? Why? Someone is getting close enough to shoot these pics. It can't be because the bodies might be rigged with explosives, the dogs are proving that.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:52 PM
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34. It's a dupe
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:59 PM
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36. Please read LBN rules
1. Duplicate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1059648
2. Copyright violation
3. Subject line violation

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