NYT: Lawmaker Seeks Inquiry Into Ohio Vote

[rockedthevoteinMA]

Lawmaker Seeks Inquiry Into Ohio Vote
By TOM ZELLER Jr.

he ranking Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee, Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, plans to ask the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a county prosecutor in Ohio today to explore "inappropriate and likely illegal election tampering" in at least one and perhaps several Ohio counties.

The request for an investigation, made in a letter that was also provided to The New York Times, includes accounts from at least two county employees, but is based largely on a sworn affidavit provided by the Hocking County deputy director of elections, Sherole Eaton.

Among other things, Ms. Eaton says in her affidavit that a representative of Triad Governmental Systems, the Ohio firm that created and maintains the vote-counting software in dozens of Ohio counties, made several adjustments to the Hocking County tabulator last Friday, in advance of the state's recount, which is taking place this week.

Ohio recount rules require that only 3 percent of a county's votes be tallied by hand, and typically one or more whole precincts are selected and combined to get the 3 percent sample. After the hand count, the sample is fed into the tabulator. If there is no discrepancy, the remaining ballots can be counted by the machine. Otherwise, a hand recount must be done for the whole county.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/15/politics/15ohio.html

[Just Me]

1. So,...someone said,..."it only takes one"!!!

Are we ready to complete this battle in order to win the war?

[slay]

2. Maybe, just maybe the media will start to pay attention..

But I'll believe it when I see it. (About the media that is.. we all already know the election was stolen.) :shrug:

[whirlygigspin]

3. random sample

all I can say is they better pick a machine at random for their sample and not the one that was tampered with the other day.

[For PaisAn]

5. They picked a different precinct

but it doesn't say if they picked a different machine. And wasn't it the tabulator the guy tampered with. Who knows what this guy did and if it could be detected or if the results are completely and permanently altered. Whatever he did, I have a feeling it worked to ensure no discrepancies would ever be found.

...snip...
County officials decided to use a different precinct when the recount was done yesterday. No discrepancies were found.
...snip...

[sycamore1]

25. Especially since the story is getting out without them

Two new videos just posted on Vote Cobb.org site

The one on the home page shows David Cobb testifying before Congressional Forum, describing allegation of new evidence of intentional tampering with voting machines.

The other is on their videos page.

I tried to add an image of it here, but couldn't. Tried using HTML, then I straight brackets instead of angle brackets, but no dice -- the image gets stripped out. How do I post an image? This is my first post here.

[crispini]

27. Welcome to DU!

Hi! :hi: Just add the link with the full http: path and header. It'll show up either as a link or an image.

[For PaisAn]

4. Finally, someone in the major media.

I especially liked this part:

...snip...
But Brett Rapp, the president of Triad, said that although it would be unusual for an employee to ask about a specific precinct, preparing the machines for a recount was standard procedure and was done in all 41 counties where Triad handles vote counts. He added that he welcomed any investigation.

"I've been doing this since 1985, and in all my experience this is the first time that we have had any complaints whatsoever," Mr. Rapp said.

"Preparing the machines", how convenient.
This is the first time they've had complaints because it's the first time they've been outed.

[ltfranklin]

13. Kinda Like....

"Preparing the machines"...is that kinda like "Correcting the Exit Polls" after the election is over by modifying them to match the results?

[hootinholler]

32. Since 1985?

Check out this stuff to wade through re TRIAD.

-Hoot

[jamboi]

6. Yahoo! n/t

[DeepModem Mom]

7. kick

[King Coal]

8. That guy will just say he was replacing a dallas chip

or a battery for the BIOS. The damaging thing is the numbers he wanted them to post on the wall.

[ltfranklin]

14. Of course

Of course he'll say that...but I'd be interested in seeing:

(1) the hard drives of a large number of these machines examined for fingerprints...to see who (and in what order) has had access to the drives, and
(2) Forensic analysis of the data on the drives to see if the data pattern matches up with the expected data pattern of a full day's voting.

If the fingerprints on top of all other fingerprints on the hard drive doesn't match the people who (officially) last had the voting machine open, then what?

Lance

[crispini]

28. This machine is 12 or 14 years old.

Would it have a dallas chip?

[Botany]

9. NYT did a piece on election fraud? What is next the Lindbergh Baby

Hocking County, Ohio is one of the Counties that Kerry got less
votes than an unknown black women from Cleveland running for
Judge. Hocking is rural and white. (It is also very nice too)

I think that we are seeing a leak in the dam and election fraud stories
are about to come out in a flood.

Please keep calling talk shows, letters to the editor, messages to
elected reps (O.K. they might not have been legally elected), and
anything else to keep the pot boiling.

KERRY WON!

:tinfoilhat:
:kick:

:bounce:

[Vidar]

10. Kick with a 21 gun salute to John Conyers and Jesse Jackson.

[understandinglife]

11. Related diary at dKos...

on the NYTimes item:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/15/2735/7599

And, a "must read":

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/15/9734/4841

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"

[Barkley]

12. Oh. YES!

The exit polls showing Kerry winning Ohio are scientific evidence that challenges Oh. election results.

Using exit poll data, Stephen Freeman of the U of Penn found that the chance of Kerry actually receiving 48.6% of Oh.'s vote was 0.0008.

[ltfranklin]

15. I'd like to see..

Data from a few of the questionable precincts on voting patterns during the day, with hourly comparisons of recorded votes with exit poll data for the same time period...did the results differ in an even pattern all day, or did it suddenly diverge at a particular time?

Of course, the question is can the voting data be separated by time increments (does the voting record in the machine have a time stamp), and is the exit polling data available in the same increments?

Lance

[Barkley]

17. I'd like to see that data too

But I'm not sure if even exist. You may want to check out the DU discussion boards, they have tons of information on exit polls.

The exit poll data has been scurtinzed sufficiently; its time to examine the voting process and the electronic machines.

[Time for change]

30. All they need to do is hand count all the votes in Ohio

The Triad machines use punch cards, so there is a paper trail. It doesn't matter what times the exit polls were done, or when the votes were cast. If Kerry won Ohio, and if the evidence (i.e., the punch cards) haven't been destroyed, then a full hand count of the state should show that he won.

[sendero]

16. This points out..

.... why I lost all faith in the "they are working behind the scenes" bullshit after a couple of weeks had passed.

The fact is, if there was fraud in Ohio they've had over a month now to clean up their tracks. To catch them at it you would almost have to swoop down and lock everything down within days.

That did not happen, so frankly I think the likelihood of ever proving fraud are hugely diminished.

[EFerrari]

21. The fraud is found. It's leadership that's gone missing n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

18. Gee, a little digging and I just tied a Todd Rapp to the gOP

http://69.13.2.49/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=332

Todd Rapp has donated money to the GOP and has an office in the same building as TriadGS.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
www.plan9.org
www.blackboxvoting.com
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[UltraDem]

19. Are we beating a dead horse?

As disappointed about this and the 2000 election as I am, I have to also admit I'm absolutely exhausted... exhausted at trying to remain excited and positive about beating Bush the first AND second time, and exhausted at remaining upbeat and positive about hoping that someone somewhere will find the "missing link" and bringing BushCo to justice. It didn't happen in 2000 and I don't believe it will happen now.

Therefore, I have decided to spend my energy at studying why we lost and what organizations and politicans to whom I need to devote my time so that 2006 and 2008 will turn out differently. There has to be a better way.

[3days]

22. But if it's rigged then you can do all you want

and it won't make a bit of difference.
There has to be some legitimacy to our vote or it is all over.

[Marnieworld]

24. Take a nap and then devote yourself to election fraud and BBV

We had the votes so there is no loss to study. The only thing to stop is more theft.

[Nothing Without Hope]

20. Text of NYT article and MUCH MORE from Will Pitt

He's put together affadavits and his own report, along with the NYT article, at TruthOut:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

The title Will has chosen for this combined report: "Proof of Ohio Fraud Exposed"

This is wonderful. No flaky-sounding "spy thriller" stories, but PROOF. The NYT was convinced enough to report it today. Cracks in the silence of the mainstream media at last. Thank you Rep. Conyers, the courageous witnesses, and so, so many others. And thanks as always in this difficult time, to Will Pitt, who always comes through.

Much work to do and final outcome still unknown, but the fraud story can no longer be called "fringe."

[Nothing Without Hope]

23. DU thread on Will Pitt's composite article plus Keith O's blog

The DU thread on Will Pitt's TruthOut article, which includes the NYT text (at the end) as well as affadavits and a great report that Will wrote about the Triad/Eaton situation is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x160619

Keith Olbermann is on the story, and in his new blog he has some context to give as well. He still believes that the MSM have not been "locked down" so much as apathetic, and that now that there is credible testimony and the involvement of public figures such as Jesse Jackson, the silence will end. Let's all hope so. Here's his new blog:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

[Supersedeas]

26. making adjustments on the sly, go Triad Governmental Systems go

Secretary Blackwell smiles.

[Lizzie Borden]

29. KICK!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Botany]

31. KERRY & EDWARDS JUST JOINED IN A LAWSUIT AGAINST BLACKWELL

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_ohio_suit_1215.php

Kerry was a prosecutor & Edwards a very good trial attorney.
They would not do this unless they have the goods.

:bounce:

:kick:

:hug:

[Old Mouse]

33. can you marry a civil suit?

cause I'm in love with one

[Botany]

34. Old Mouse yes you can

Can you say President Kerry?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=

Seems like another Ohio County is having it's problems!

:kick:


:bounce:


Time to take a chance
Let us all dance, dance, dance!