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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:11 AM
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Fans asked to respect anthem (appeal may come tonight)
After fielding complaints about N.C. State fans' creative liberties with "The Star Spangled Banner," school officials have asked student groups to encourage a more faithful singing of the national anthem's lyrics.

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In recent years, pregame performances of the anthem at State sporting events have prompted Wolfpack fans to scream, "Red!" in sync with the line "And the rockets' red glare," as a tribute to their favorite team's color. And when the guest singer brings it home with the line "and the home of the brave," those same fans substitute "Wolfpack" for "brave."

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With State scheduled to play Louisiana-Lafayette tonight, Student Wolfpack Club vice-president Brandon Pearson offered the following solution: Give the pregame microphone to coach Herb Sendek.


http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/1932348p-8285607c.html
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:35 AM
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1. Uhm, it's just a song?
There is nothing holy about "The Star-Spangled Banner." But this looks like the opening salvo for another divisive nonsensical push for a constitutional amendment (think flag burning) that elevates our national symbols to the realm of the sacred.

Hint for our whacko friends, lurkers and posters alike: If your national symbols don't inspire respect simply by dint of your nation's actions and need to be protected by law, they aren't worth very much.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:41 AM
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2. copycat of the orioles' fans emphasizing the O
in o say can you see.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:58 AM
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5. Yep...
O Say Does That Star Spangled Banner Yet Wave
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:12 AM
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11. Or Dallas Stars fans yelling "Stars"
Or are Stars fans copying Orioles fans? Who's copying who? Where did this National Anthem heresy begin anyway?
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:41 AM
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3. Isn't it Francis Scott Key's G-G-Grandson moving to Canada, really??
I saw it on ABC World News tonight at the end of last week or this week being interviewed. He's so upset with the election results that he is one of the people moving to Canada.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:01 AM
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7. I don't blame him. eom
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:50 AM
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4. As a Wolfpack club member
and having a son currently enrolled at NC State, there has never been a problem with this practice until we played East Carolina in Bank of America Stadium (neutral field). I will complain via email. I'm tired of these radicals controlling my life. I go to the football and basketball games as an enjoyable escape now from them as well as school traditions. I'm going to start standing up to these people. I've had enough.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:58 AM
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6. Hey... Flag WORSHIPPERS, Anthem WORSHIPPERS..
GET OVER YOURSELVES!!
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:03 AM
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8. As a NCSU alumna (undergrad)
we used to sing much worse variations on the anthem! :evilgrin:

But my favorite is the singing of our unofficial fight song... no one knows the full words, but everyone shouts out loud "Go to hell, Carolina!"

Of course, we did much worse down the road in Durham (Duke alumna - post grad) taunting opponents to no end at basketball games....

People need to lighten up... The bastardization of common song lyrics and the taunting of opponents are among my most cherished college memories.

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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:31 PM
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18. Another former Duke grad student here
I know exactly what you are talking about. I still have a painters cap from a Duke football game with Go to Hell Carolina on the back. Nothing like being in Cameron, the students are very creative in their taunting :).
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:04 AM
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9. Symbols take on greater importance when the substance for
which they once stood no longer exists.

Land of the free? Home of the brave?

Yeah. Sure. Welcome to Bush America. :sick:
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:08 AM
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10. I never understand people who revere symbols more than the country
those symbols represent. Soldiers don't fight and die for the flag or the national anthem, they do it for their country, or because they believe it's for their country.

I always told my freeper grandpa "I've never burned a flag in my life, but if they make a constitutional amendment making it a crime, I will start doing so the next day". He didn't get it, they never do.

I hate singing "The Star Spangled Banner", because it is such a difficult range for my limited vocal ability. I do appreciate someone who can sing it well, however.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:27 AM
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12. I hope they yell it twice as loud next time
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:36 AM
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13. I always wondered why they did the flag thing before sporting events

it never made sense to me. the sporting event isn't a gov. event. we all didn't wake up and forget what country we were in and have to be reminded before watching, for fun, a sporting event. it's like going to the movies or clubs, for fun - that doesn't get a flag event.
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RaleighNCDem Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:48 AM
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14. As a grad of NCSU, I can tell you that they will just yell louder now.
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 11:55 AM by RaleighNCDem
And they should. What's wrong with having a little fun at a sporting event? Isn't the Star Spangled Banner a glorified fight song for the US anyway?
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:55 AM
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15. never had that problem when norm sloan's wife sang the anthem
off-key.
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dw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:27 PM
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16. It's origins lie in a British drinking song...
It is very likely that Key only ever intended this as a poem. However, there was a very popular tune of the time which had the same form and metre, and there can be no doubt that Key was heavily influenced by it - ironically, this was the tune of a British drinking song!

When the handbills were printed, they bore the name of this tune to which the poem should be sung - Anacreon in Heaven. Nobody is sure whether this was Key's idea, or whether his brother-in-law had made the connection, but to this day the American National Anthem is sung to the tune of a British drinking song.

At one time, the English composer Dr Thomas Arnold was thought to be its composer - it was used as the constitutional song of the Anacreonic Society, a drinking club based in a pub in the Strand, London, for which Arnold had written numerous songs. However, it is now accepted that the tune was actually written by John Stafford Smith for the same society, probably in 1771.

Key made a number of hand-written copies of his original poem, introducing the occasional change. But it wasn't just Key that made alterations; various editors along the way have also had a hand in altering spelling, punctuation and even the words. The original text of the poem has therefore varied depending on where you read it.

From www.gbjann.com/anthem/history.htm
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omshanti Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:29 PM
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17. About damn time!
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 03:31 PM by omshanti
- A UNC fan :-)

On edit: "Go to hell State"
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:02 PM
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19. Have any of you
Tarhole fans ever complained?;)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:24 PM
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20. More Faithful? Okay, let's go back to it's original drinking song version.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:04 AM
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21. Proud to report from the basketball game tonight
that our tradition concerning the anthem held. Actually, it was done more forcefully and loud (red and Wolfpack in the key areas of the song). All is right with the world (or at least at NC State).
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:40 AM
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22. A lot of countries don't even know the words to their anthem
I saw Australians at a women's basketball game, and they weren't standing up straight, hands over hearts, dutifully singing the words like obedient fascists. They were chewing gum, hanging over the rails, and waiting for the game to start.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:46 AM
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23. we Canadians are not immune to such silliness, sadly
not so long ago, a well-known Canadian recording artist, substituted the last couple words of our national anthem with a phrase honouring another canadian who'd just achieved some accomplishment or another. the OUTCRY following this was just hilarious. some were just about calling for her head, you'd think she'd added SATAN to the anthem, not added something HONOURING a fellow Canadian. its a non-issue. hell, people should be happy people sing it at all. a lot DON'T, mostly because they don't know the words, or are too busy noshing on a hot dog before the game.
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